what's your point? my point was that one guy is 2 years older, in his prime, has had a full season more of games, plays on a better team, and still has less points (and only a few more goals) than the guy who hasn't reached his prime yet and is 2 years younger.

compare their numbers when pacioretty had the same number of games played as eberle...........this conversation becomes laughable.

besides, my original point was that some of the trade offers by habs fans were ridiculous.......... emelin + 2nd rd pick, eller + prospect..........come on man. that's the same as oilers offering petry and a 2nd for pacioretty. it's ridiculous.

eberle and pacioretty have almost identical value, and if oiler fans made the same proposals for pacioretty as habs fans are making for eberle, there would probably be riots in montreal..........or atleast by habs fans on this site.
- sensarmy_11

Let's be rational here: Eberle is a more complete player but Patches is the only proven power forward on the team. He is also a much better goal scorer. Eberle makes 6M$ and Patches 4,5M$ and both contracts end after 18-19 campaign. From a GM point of view, Pacioretty's deal is much better than Eberle so in the end, i totally disagree that both players have same value. Patches is a better bargain while i do agree they are both very good hockey players.

serious?
- twiztedmike

What is so wrong with what I've said? You don't think Eberle could land the Oilers a top defenseman?

Let's be rational here: Eberle is a more complete player but Patches is the only proven power forward on the team. He is also a much better goal scorer. Eberle makes 6M$ and Patches 4,5M$ and both contracts end after 18-19 campaign. From a GM point of view, Pacioretty's deal is much better than Eberle so in the end, i totally disagree that both players have same value. Patches is a better bargain while i do agree they are both very good hockey players.
- Habsody

No he's not.

He's a goal scorer.

What is so wrong with what I've said? You don't think Eberle could land the Oilers a top defenseman?
- deadpoulet

so eberle for subban straight up, thats what you are saying. Would you do that? I think not

What is so wrong with what I've said? You don't think Eberle could land the Oilers a top defenseman?
- deadpoulet

No, He's not Taylor Hall

No he's not.

He's a goal scorer.
- l3ig_l2ecl

Let's agree to disagree then.

76 pts in your 2nd year in the NHL is pretty good.

He would not get Ekman-Larsson but Beaulieu is not even close. That's what I was trying to say.

76 pts in your 2nd year in the NHL is pretty good.

He would not get Ekman-Larsson but Beaulieu is not even close. That's what I was trying to say.
- deadpoulet

plekanecs had a 70 point season. Paired with a very talented young dman who is ready for regular nhl service is not a bad trade

In fact, I think losing pleks now would make the habs a worse team. Replacing Pleks with ebs would make the habs worse.

I am always amazed at how little respect Plekanecs gets from the habs fan base. He is consistently one of the best players for the habs year in and year out. He is now able to have two offensive minded and capable players on his wing (no disrespect meant Gionta). And he is taking less defensive zone faceoffs.

76 pts in your 2nd year in the NHL is pretty good.

He would not get Ekman-Larsson but Beaulieu is not even close. That's what I was trying to say.
- deadpoulet

So much of this^^

so eberle for subban straight up, thats what you are saying. Would you do that? I think not
- DDM-Coga

I said earlier Subban is not going anywhere.

But there is no way the Oilers would only ask Tinordi or Beaulieu in a trade.

76 pts in your 2nd year in the NHL is pretty good.

He would not get Ekman-Larsson but Beaulieu is not even close. That's what I was trying to say.
- deadpoulet

The last thing the Oilers need are other prospects. They need to surround their young talent with proven vets/leaders. So if they trade Eberle, they should get a proven 2C a legit top 4 D and a pick. On the other hand, the Oilers are at the same point the Habs were 5-6 years ago when they had to overpay UFAs in order to land them. Look at Ference and Pouliot's contracts, that's overpayment just like Gionta and Cammalleri were.

plekanecs had a 70 point season. Paired with a very talented young dman who is ready for regular nhl service is not a bad trade

In fact, I think losing pleks now would make the habs a worse team. Replacing Pleks with ebs would make the habs worse.

I am always amazed at how little respect Plekanecs gets from the habs fan base. He is consistently one of the best players for the habs year in and year out. He is now able to have two offensive minded and capable players on his wing (no disrespect meant Gionta). And he is taking less defensive zone faceoffs.
- Biggus Richardus

Plekanec is a complete player, but Eberle is pretty good defensively too and has higher upside. Also, i would be totally comfortable with Galchenyuk centering the 2nd line. But you're right loosing Plekanec this year is a very risky/gutsy move.

I do get his point as far as if the Oil offered us Arco, Marincin and a 2nd for Pacioretty we'd say thats ridiculous. And i agree that what is generally being proposed isnt gonna get the deal done. Not sure how it became a debate over devaluing one player over another.

Realistically I think it would take Tinordi/bealieau, Plekanecs and a pick. And even then i dont know - do oiler fans think thats brutal? I feel like that solves your 2C for at least several years, you get a really strong D prospect that is NHL ready now and a pick.

EDIT: We still get the best player in the trade - and I'm not even saying do that trade but i think it would improve your standings this year. Not sure if Montreal would consider it as Pleks is doing really well and is a big part of the team.
- Joel_Eh

Ya, I agree. I had made a post earlier where I lined up what I would be willing to give up for Eberle and I concluded that it prob wouldn't be acceptable to Edm, but I wouldn't want to move anyone else as they are playing well. If montreal made a trade with Edm for Eberle I would have to think Bergevin wouldn't part with core/future core assets so guess if Pleks is part of the future core he's not available but if the plan was always to trade him the I guess they want chucky at center now. But I just don't see Everle being traded. He's too valuable to that team. Now Yakupov, I could see him moved but he won't get the Kings ransom some would hope at this point.

I just don't like when ppl come on and just start trashing a entire fan base because a couple ppl throw out trade opinions. It's just ignorant and immature.

Let's agree to disagree then.
- Habsody

That's why he averages 1 hit per game.

The only "power forward" we have is actually our most skilled player which is Galchenyuk. He goes in corners and hits to win the puck. 17 hits in 7 games. Leads the team.

76 pts in your 2nd year in the NHL is pretty good.

He would not get Ekman-Larsson but Beaulieu is not even close. That's what I was trying to say.
- deadpoulet

Anyway that kinf of trade has to also work cap Wise.

That being said, i think it would have to be something like Plekanec + Tokarski + prospect or pick for Eberle

I said earlier Subban is not going anywhere.

But there is no way the Oilers would only ask Tinordi or Beaulieu in a trade.
- deadpoulet

OEL is the equivalent of Subban, so if you think Eberle can fetch him, he can fetch Subban

plekanecs had a 70 point season. Paired with a very talented young dman who is ready for regular nhl service is not a bad trade

In fact, I think losing pleks now would make the habs a worse team. Replacing Pleks with ebs would make the habs worse.

I am always amazed at how little respect Plekanecs gets from the habs fan base. He is consistently one of the best players for the habs year in and year out. He is now able to have two offensive minded and capable players on his wing (no disrespect meant Gionta). And he is taking less defensive zone faceoffs.
- Biggus Richardus

"plekanec had 70 points 5 years ago. Still hovering at that value"

Plekanec gets a crazy amount of respect, too much even, from the habs fanbase. Plekanec+prospect+pick has gotten them Eberle, E Kane, Yakupov, etc.

Ah yes, that glistening .862 sv% for Scribbles and .870 sv% for Fasth.

In Tokarski's one start, he stopped 29 of 30 shots. Idk if he has had a single bad game in the NHL. Meanwhile, Edmonton's goalies are both poor back ups on most teams. I understand why people are doing this:


- McGallagher

are we really dumn enough to use a single game as a sample size? Scrivens had a 57 save shut-out, must be the best goalie of all time going off your judging scale

OEL is the equivalent of Subban, so if you think Eberle can fetch him, he can fetch Subban
- DDM-Coga

Hummm

I wouldn't say equivalent yet but still has more value than Eberle.

But does he speak French?

76 pts in your 2nd year in the NHL is pretty good.

He would not get Ekman-Larsson but Beaulieu is not even close. That's what I was trying to say.
- deadpoulet

impressive year but that was on a 18.9% shooting percentage, un natrually high, so it would be highly unlikey to repeat that sort of productivity.

"plekanec had 70 points 5 years ago. Still hovering at that value"

Plekanec gets a crazy amount of respect, too much even, from the habs fanbase. Plekanec+prospect+pick has gotten them Eberle, E Kane, Yakupov, etc.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Plekanecs has been stuck with poopty wingers over the last few seasons. played for jacques martin, and was our number one penalty killing and defensive zone centerman.

He lined up against the opposing teams best players. This guy is an extremely good hockey player.

I'd hate to see him go and think the Habs would be much worse off now and in the near future.

I would not trade Pleks for E Kane or Yakupov. Eberle yes.

Hummm

I wouldn't say equivalent yet but still has more value than Eberle.
- soad_live

Edmonton should have traded for T.J. Brodie before he became the best D in the league

souce: Calgary Fan Base

Beaulieu can't help them now and Pleks is too old.

They could get a top defenseman for Eberle (Oliver Ekman-Larsson?).
- deadpoulet

Edmontons need is top 2 line center though. They have a kid (draisaitl) playing that spot and obviously don't see that potential in Arcobello. That's a massive hole. Their D is still missing a top 2 guy but those guys cost a hell of a lot to get. Top D are like unicorns. This is why D get overpaid the most on July 1st (suter, niskanen, Orpik, etc) or get ridiculous offer sheets (weber) or crazy money to stay put (Subban, Phanuef, Letang). I think a proper Center is their biggest need. Then a top quality goalie. Then a top 4 D and develop their own D

Plekanecs has been stuck with poopty wingers over the last few seasons. played for jacques martin, and was our number one penalty killing and defensive zone centerman.

He lined up against the opposing teams best players. This guy is an extremely good hockey player.

I'd hate to see him go and think the Habs would be much worse off now and in the near future.

I would not trade Pleks for E Kane or Yakupov. Eberle yes.
- Biggus Richardus

hence 'habs fans overvalue Plekanec'

might find 3 non-habs fans who think this way