Edmontons need is top 2 line center though. They have a kid (draisaitl) playing that spot and obviously don't see that potential in Arcobello. That's a massive hole. Their D is still missing a top 2 guy but those guys cost a hell of a lot to get. Top D are like unicorns. This is why D get overpaid the most on July 1st (suter, niskanen, Orpik, etc) or get ridiculous offer sheets (weber) or crazy money to stay put (Subban, Phanuef, Letang). I think a proper Center is their biggest need. Then a top quality goalie. Then a top 4 D and develop their own D
- SmielmaN

don't need a top 2 centre so bad that they'd undersell Eberle. If PHI is offering Couturier, you jump on that. If MTL is offering plekanec you laugh in their faces.

Don't need a top 4 D (like some genius habs fans seem think with Emelin for Eberle ). Need a top 2 D. Have enough 2nd pairing guys.

Anyway that kinf of trade has to also work cap Wise.

That being said, i think it would have to be something like Plekanec + Tokarski + prospect or pick for Eberle
- soad_live

there is ZERO chance that a 32 (in a few days) year old plekanec is the centre piece in a deal for the 24 year old eberle.

he's older, not as good, only makes 1 mil less, and is a UFA after next year.

i'm not knocking pleks, he's a good player, but that deal isn't even close.

IMO, any deal for eberle will have galchenyuk in it, or else there's no point in edmonton making the deal.

i honestly don't see these two teams being good trading partners to be honest. edmonton needs 1-2 solid top 4 d-men (who aren't old as dirt) who can play right now, or in the very near future. or else, they need a really good 2-way top six forward, who again, is ready now. montreal doesn't have that (atleast not guys they'd part with).

i think a much better trading partner for edmonton is arizona. they have too many good d-men, and nobody up front. the oilers have the complete opposite.

OEL is the equivalent of Subban, so if you think Eberle can fetch him, he can fetch Subban
- DDM-Coga

I don't think OEL is the equivalent of Subban, but you are in the West and me in the East.

The Oilers should only trade a top forward if they think they can get a no1 defenseman, or maybe a 2nd line c and a top 4 defenseman. I just tried to pick an example. Maybe they should target Myers?

Sidney (frank)ing Crosby couldn't help them now.
- l3ig_l2ecl

We beat Stamkos and Ovie so

there is ZERO chance that a 32 (in a few days) year old plekanec is the centre piece in a deal for the 24 year old eberle.

he's older, not as good, only makes 1 mil less, and is a UFA after next year.

i'm not knocking pleks, he's a good player, but that deal isn't even close.

IMO, any deal for eberle will have galchenyuk in it, or else there's no point in edmonton making the deal.

i honestly don't see these two teams being good trading partners to be honest. edmonton needs 1-2 solid top 4 d-men (who aren't old as dirt) who can play right now, or in the very near future. or else, they need a really good 2-way top six forward, who again, is ready now. montreal doesn't have that (atleast not guys they'd part with).

i think a much better trading partner for edmonton is arizona. they have too many good d-men, and nobody up front. the oilers have the complete opposite.
- sensarmy_11

If Plekanec is too old for Eberle to be in trade for him, i announce you that Eberle is too old for Galchenyuk.

I don't now what you think Oilers need but a little bit of experience wouldn't kill them.

You won't get a top 2 defensman, of Eberle's age for Eberle himself. Those D have far more value than small offensive 1st line forward.

don't need a top 2 centre so bad that they'd undersell Eberle. If PHI is offering Couturier, you jump on that. If MTL is offering plekanec you laugh in their faces.

Don't need a top 4 D (like some genius habs fans seem think with Emelin for Eberle ). Need a top 2 D. Have enough 2nd pairing guys.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Emelin is playing with Subban.

I don't think OEL is the equivalent of Subban, but you are in the West and me in the East.

The Oilers should only trade a top forward if they think they can get a no1 defenseman, or maybe a 2nd line c and a top 4 defenseman. I just tried to pick an example. Maybe they should target Myers?
- deadpoulet

OEL is around Top 10 dmen in the league, so yes he is that good and important to the Coytoes, so he is same as Subban in regards to importance to the team and within the league.

It would be like Rangers trading McDonagh for Eberle, or lightning with Hedman

hence 'habs fans overvalue Plekanec'

might find 3 non-habs fans who think this way
- TheNugeIsHuge

Okay, I will be brief and simple.

I understand that you are an oiler fan. Yakupov has much more talent/skill than plekanecs. I agree.

But look at the standings, and not this year, the last 4 years. The oilers arguably have one of the most talented offensive teams in the NHL. But they suck.

Now the reason they suck, is because they don't have any veteran players of any substance.

Now, all of us habs fans (including Bergevin I would argue) value other tangibles in the game of hockey besides high end skill.

Like for instance, character and determination. Drive, effort and how they are in the locker room.

And most importantly, can they play a 200 foot game?

Sorry, but thinking that having all the first overalls in the league will fix your team is wrong.

Look to Chicago and LA, look to how Pitts did it. They had Lemieux groom Crosby not Eakins.

Edmontons need is top 2 line center though. They have a kid (draisaitl) playing that spot and obviously don't see that potential in Arcobello. That's a massive hole. Their D is still missing a top 2 guy but those guys cost a hell of a lot to get. Top D are like unicorns. This is why D get overpaid the most on July 1st (suter, niskanen, Orpik, etc) or get ridiculous offer sheets (weber) or crazy money to stay put (Subban, Phanuef, Letang). I think a proper Center is their biggest need. Then a top quality goalie. Then a top 4 D and develop their own D
- SmielmaN

In the end it all comes back to the fact that they should have drafted a D or traded their 1st overall for one.

Now they need to rid some of their top 3-1/2 guys up front to fix the cluster(frank). The problem is the teams that will trade those guys aren't as desperate, so the value of Edmonton top guys are actually dragged down due to the teams situation.

It's not that Eberle, Hall, N-H and even Yakupov (he's the 1/2 ) are not worth a lot, they just aren't worth as much to other teams with the pieces to fix Edmonton's problem.

Okay, I will be brief and simple.

I understand that you are an oiler fan. Yakupov has much more talent/skill than plekanecs. I agree.

But look at the standings, and not this year, the last 4 years. The oilers arguably have one of the most talented offensive teams in the NHL. But they suck.

Now the reason they suck, is because they don't have any veteran players of any substance.

Now, all of us habs fans (including Bergevin I would argue) value other tangibles in the game of hockey besides high end skill.

Like for instance, character and determination. Drive, effort and how they are in the locker room.

And most importantly, can they play a 200 foot game?

Sorry, but thinking that having all the first overalls in the league will fix your team is wrong.

Look to Chicago and LA, look to how Pitts did it. They had Lemieux groom Crosby not Eakins.
- Biggus Richardus

EDM needs to undersell Eberle because they've been bad. Yep, heard it enough from Glen Healy too pal.

and that will be an important fact when and if his production comes close to what eberle's is..............right now it's not a factor.

eberle and pacioretty are very comparable because their numbers are very similar. one makes less, but one is younger.

galchenyuk clearly has a lot of potential, but right now he's not in the discussion as being better or even as good as eberle or pacioretty.
- sensarmy_11

In fact, Galchenyuk is still far closer to universally maligned bust Nail Yakupov then he is to Eberle in terms of current play.

In the end it all comes back to the fact that they should have drafted a D or traded their 1st overall for one.

Now they need to rid some of their top 3-1/2 guys up front to fix the cluster(frank). The problem is the teams that will trade those guys aren't as desperate, so the value of Edmonton top guys are actually dragged down due to the teams situation.

It's not that Eberle, Hall, N-H and even Yakupov (he's the 1/2 ) are not worth a lot, they just aren't worth as much to other teams with the pieces to fix Edmonton's problem.
- l3ig_l2ecl

why do they need to rid of these guys? because a guy on the internet said so?

MTL wouldn't be doing EDM a favour by taking on Eberle. This is a made up rumour by Eklund. Jesus

It's not that Eberle, Hall, N-H and even Yakupov (he's the 1/2 ) are not worth a lot, they just aren't worth as much to other teams with the pieces to fix Edmonton's problem.
- l3ig_l2ecl

This ^

In fact, Galchenyuk is still far closer to universally maligned bust Nail Yakupov then he is to Eberle in terms of current play.
- Morris

how dare you. Galchenyuk has soared 7 points higher Yak in 2 more games. The two aren't even comparable!

If Plekanec is too old for Eberle to be in trade for him, i announce you that Eberle is too old for Galchenyuk.

I don't now what you think Oilers need but a little bit of experience wouldn't kill them.

You won't have a top 2 defensman, of Eberle's age for Eberle himself. Those D have far more value than small offensive 1st line forward.
- soad_live

plekanec is 8 years older than eberle.....eberle is 4 years older than galchenyuk. that's a pretty big difference.

all 3 are good players, but you aren't going to find anyone (other than maybe a few habs fans i guess) who would say that eberle isn't CLEARLY the best player of the 3.......and IMO, it's not close right now.

does edmonton need experience? no doubt.....but you don't acquire declining assets for one of your best players, simply to gain "experience".

In fact, Galchenyuk is still far closer to universally maligned bust Nail Yakupov then he is to Eberle in terms of current play.
- Morris

How dare you say that about Gally

how dare you. Galchenyuk has soared 7 points higher Yak in 2 more games. The two aren't even comparable!
- TheNugeIsHuge

I don't think OEL is the equivalent of Subban, but you are in the West and me in the East.

The Oilers should only trade a top forward if they think they can get a no1 defenseman, or maybe a 2nd line c and a top 4 defenseman. I just tried to pick an example. Maybe they should target Myers?
- deadpoulet

They need to find a team with good young D's and trade one of their top guys for them. It's a risk because young D's don't shine line young forwards do. Then all of a sudden they are superstars and untradeable.

For example: Beaulieu might not be Subban or Markov, and likely may never be. Especially on this team as his ice time will be 3rd pairing. However, on a team that he gets plenty of icetime, he may actually blossom and become a top pairing. He's only 21!!! At 21, PK put up 38 points and a minus 8. People in Montreal would have actually traded him. Now, you'll never trade him.

Top pairing D's are drafted, traded as "prospects", or through Free Agency. I don't see Free Agency being an option for Edmonton. They somehow refuse to draft a future star D. So they should get Prospects. High drafted top prospects. Not saying Beaulieu is what they need, but he was a 17th overall. He could turn into a top pairing D or a bust. It's why he's labeled a prospect.

EDM needs to undersell Eberle because they've been bad. Yep, heard it enough from Glen Healy too pal.
- TheNugeIsHuge

The Oilers shouldn't trade Eberle. He has character.

I would trade Yakupov if I was McTavish. And I wouldn't do it yet. You don't sell low!

Whereas trading Eberle now would be selling high.

But regardless, the Oilers will continue to suck until they balance their lineup. There is a cost associated with acquiring the players needed to balance their roster.

plekanec is 8 years older than eberle.....eberle is 4 years older than galchenyuk. that's a pretty big difference.

all 3 are good players, but you aren't going to find anyone (other than maybe a few habs fans i guess) who would say that eberle isn't CLEARLY the best player of the 3.......and IMO, it's not close right now.

does edmonton need experience? no doubt.....but you don't acquire declining assets for one of your best players, simply to gain "experience".
- sensarmy_11

^^Bingo!

"Eller+Nygren?"

"Tinordi+2nd?"

"Emelin+2nd?"

"Pleky?"
- TheNugeIsHuge

I think you would need pleks and more to get jordan eberle... jordan has more talent and is much younger.

The Oilers shouldn't trade Eberle. He has character.

I would trade Yakupov if I was McTavish. And I wouldn't do it yet. You don't sell low!

Whereas trading Eberle now would be selling high.

But regardless, the Oilers will continue to suck until they balance their lineup. There is a cost associated with acquiring the players needed to balance their roster.
- Biggus Richardus

Agree..

But as we know any rumor titled by Eklund - never comes to fruition- so we are basically having a great discussion and configuring values

impressive year but that was on a 18.9% shooting percentage, un natrually high, so it would be highly unlikey to repeat that sort of productivity.
- DDM-Coga

if by productivity you mean points, then I disagree. He could easily hit 76 points again.

If by productivity you mean shooting efficiency, then I agree. He'll need to generate more shots to get to 76. Which he's been doing up until this year.

Not saying this is enough but if Habs try to acquire Eberle....they cannot part with Emelin. Too huge of a hole on D for a team that many have contending for a cup from the East.

Habs would likely part with blue chip prospects and or younger guys however.

Hypothetically, Beaulieu, Eller and maybe a prospect like Nygren or Pateryn.

Again no idea what Edmonton would even ask for but Habs cannot part with Tinordi, Emelin, MArkov, Subban because it is a huge huge void that they would need to fill.

Gonna throw this out there......maybe a hard working blue collar guy like Gallagher as part of a deal?

if by productivity you mean points, then I disagree. He could easily hit 76 points again.

If by productivity you mean shooting efficiency, then I agree. He'll need to generate more shots to get to 76. Which he's been doing up until this year.
- Morris

yes to repeat that sort of percentage.