Congrats to ghost. Welcome to the show. Now lets get him a win in his first game.

Unrelated. I'm in Boston to see my bears lose to the pats tomorrow. Lol
- Hextall271

Make sure Forte and Marshall have a good game

This isn't a popular opinion, but going all-in on Pronger too soon with the original post-06 core was where it started to go wrong. Instead of a future 5-7 year window to win, Homer banked on Pronger pushing them over the top immediately. That group just wasn't ready yet, and they got caught with too many of their eggs in the Pronger basket.
- Tomahawk

We saw a Final in 2010 after seeing an eastern conference final in 2008. What do you mean not ready?

I think Seguin is headed in that direction. Would you have considered Scott Hartnell a star at any time in the past? How about Wayne Simmonds now?
- MJL

Yes, and yes.

Yes, and yes.
- Tomahawk

Well then we definitely have a different definition of what a star is. A star is a player that is set above, not a dime a dozen.

Well then we definitely have a different definition of what a star is. A star is a player that is set above, not a dime a dozen.
- MJL

1st-line players and 30-goal scorers are dime a dozen?

I would have rather had Carter then, and I would rather have him now. Carter is simply a better player. he was better when he was on the Flyers, and he is better now.


edit: I mean over Richards, then and now. I still love the return we got for both players.
- MBFlyerfan

I'm within the belief that Carter and Richards would have continued to be good players as Flyers because they played much bigger roles. I sometimes believe the Captaincy is a burden on Claude Giroux. He tries to do too much at times and allowed his frustration to get the better of him.

Well then we definitely have a different definition of what a star is. A star is a player that is set above, not a dime a dozen.
- MJL

The Flyers certainly didn't think so

We saw a Final in 2010 after seeing an eastern conference final in 2008. What do you mean not ready?
- SuperSchennBros

Mostly not having enough depth at all positions, and all the maturity issues. Given a bit more time, and a few more complementary players, I think that core could have been a perennial threat, a la Chicago. Then bring in a Pronger (or whoever) as the cherry on top.

LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!

And the Sabres are only 2 points ahead of the Flyers in the Tanktastic Mcdavid/Eichel sweepstakes.

Well then we definitely have a different definition of what a star is. A star is a player that is set above, not a dime a dozen.
- MJL

JvR and Phil Kessel are the two bright spots on an awful team. Phaneuf should be a much better player than what he's shown. Jonathan Bernier is in the same position as Steve Mason right now, in terms of needing a carry over from last season.

Which would you rather:

1) see the most amazing Datsukian move tonight in a Philly loss
2) see Ghost score a couple in a losing cause

1st-line players and 30-goal scorers are dime a dozen?
- Tomahawk

You're right, that's not a good description. I think that there are superstars such as Crosby, Stamkos, Ovechkin, Malkin. Then there are stars such as Giroux, Perry, Getzlaff, Kessel. Then there are players the next level down, which is where JVR, Hartnell in his best years, and Simmonds now are, in my opinion.

Mostly not having enough depth at all positions, and all the maturity issues. Given a bit more time, and a few more complementary players, I think that core could have been a perennial threat, a la Chicago. Then bring in a Pronger (or whoever) as the cherry on top.
- Tomahawk

I really like our team but I think the Flyers are really feeling the effects of set backs due to deals that were and were not made. Pronger was a huge loss but it's not just Pronger anymore.

Which would you rather:

1) see the most amazing Datsukian move tonight in a Philly loss
2) see Ghost score a couple in a losing cause
- Pixote Andolini

Both options have the Flyers losing

Mostly not having enough depth at all positions, and all the maturity issues. Given a bit more time, and a few more complementary players, I think that core could have been a perennial threat, a la Chicago. Then bring in a Pronger (or whoever) as the cherry on top.
- Tomahawk

So you would not have traded Richards and Carter?

Which would you rather:

1) see the most amazing Datsukian move tonight and get stoned by the Flyers goalie
2) see Ghost score a couple
- Pixote Andolini

1 or 2, either is fine

Make sure Forte and Marshall have a good game
- PhillySportsGuy

I'll be rocking my forte jersey and praying Brady doesn't go though our d like a hot knife through butter.

You're right, that's not a good description. I think that there are superstars such as Crosby, Stamkos, Ovechkin, Malkin. Then there are stars such as Giroux, Perry, Getzlaff, Kessel. Then there are players the next level down, which is where JVR, Hartnell in his best years, and Simmonds now are, in my opinion.
- MJL

So the term "all star" isn't really an indication of who the real "stars" are?

You're right, that's not a good description. I think that there are superstars such as Crosby, Stamkos, Ovechkin, Malkin. Then there are stars such as Giroux, Perry, Getzlaff, Kessel. Then there are players the next level down, which is where JVR, Hartnell in his best years, and Simmonds now are, in my opinion.
- MJL

You've got a pretty unconventional definition, then.

I think most of us would consider G, Perry, Kessel and Getz comfortably in the superstar category.

I really like our team but I think the Flyers are really feeling the effects of set backs due to deals that were and were not made. Pronger was a huge loss but it's not just Pronger anymore.
- SuperSchennBros

The Flyers are feeling a setback right now due to one position. Defense. It's not on the level that the forward talent is. And they're paying the price for failing to draft and develop defenseman well.

Congrats to ghost. Welcome to the show. Now lets get him a win in his first game.

Unrelated. I'm in Boston to see my bears lose to the pats tomorrow. Lol
- Hextall271

Give my regards to Quincy Market. Been a looong time...

You've got a pretty unconventional definition, then.

I think most of us would consider G, Perry, Kessel and Getz comfortably in the superstar category.
- Tomahawk

Superstar is a rare category. That's the difference. Players like Crosby, Stamkos, Ovechkin, and Malkin are above those players.

Both options have the Flyers losing
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah I'm pragmatic.

You're right, that's not a good description. I think that there are superstars such as Crosby, Stamkos, Ovechkin, Malkin. Then there are stars such as Giroux, Perry, Getzlaff, Kessel. Then there are players the next level down, which is where JVR, Hartnell in his best years, and Simmonds now are, in my opinion.
- MJL

Money aside, I would choose JvR over Simmonds. When comparing contracts, Simmonds is the clear cut option.