I'll be rocking my forte jersey and praying Brady doesn't go though our d like a hot knife through butter.
- Hextall271

Im ok with Brady going off. Just make sure Cutler doesn't (frank) things up again. Guy kills more possessions than anyone.

Money aside, I would choose JvR over Simmonds. When comparing contracts, Simmonds is the clear cut option.
- SuperSchennBros

I wouldn't. And it's not close in my opinion. I'd choose Simmonds.

So you would not have traded Richards and Carter?
- MJL

Under the circumstances I outlined, probably not.

(Keeping that initial core together --Gagne/Hartsy/Lupul/Richie/Carts/Upshall/Carle/Coburn/Kimmo -- having G and JvR on top of that... and whatever other prospects they would have drafted w/ the 1sts that went to ANA (guys like Justin Faulk and ROR would have been in the wheelhouse).

I wouldn't. And it's not close in my opinion. I'd choose Simmonds.
- MJL

I never said anything about anything being close. JvR is the better player. Money just makes Simmonds more tempting.

Superstar is a rare category. That's the difference. Players like Crosby, Stamkos, Ovechkin, and Malkin are above those players.
- MJL

Yeah, there's a category for those kinds of guys: generational/semi-generational.

Yeah, there's a category for those kinds of guys: generational/semi-generational.
- Tomahawk

That's what a superstar is to me. They are rare.

I never said anything about anything being close. JvR is the better player. Money just makes Simmonds more tempting.
- SuperSchennBros

I disagree that JVR is the better player. The difference in money between the two is 275K

Under the circumstances I outlined, probably not.

(Keeping that initial core together --Gagne/Hartsy/Lupul/Richie/Carts/Upshall/Carle/Coburn/Kimmo -- having G and JvR on top of that... and whatever other prospects they would have drafted w/ the 1sts that went to ANA (guys like Justin Faulk and ROR would have been in the wheelhouse).
- Tomahawk

There were lots of other circumstances involved in the real world that those trades were made in.

I never said anything about anything being close. JvR is the better player. Money just makes Simmonds more tempting.
- SuperSchennBros

Based on what or are we just talking opinion?

I disagree that JVR is the better player. The difference in money between the two is 275K
- MJL

I'm not gonna ignore Simmonds hot start but I believe Simmonds is now pointless his last three games. I also won't ignore that Simmonds has 7 points to JvR's 5.

However JvR is on the top line for Toronto without a legitimate number one center. He's on their number Power Play unit. He kills penalties. He's used in the shootout and never missed once last season. JvR is their second best player on a notoriously bad team. Simmonds doesn't do half of this on a good team and might be the Flyers third best player.

You might be right but I'd find this tough to argue. If JvR isn't the better player, he's easily the more skilled player.

You might be right but I'd find this tough to argue. If JvR isn't the better player, he's easily the more skilled player.
- SuperSchennBros

Eh, Zherdev was more skilled then a lot of players also but that is not all that matters.

Personally i would take current Simmonds over current JVR.

That's what a superstar is to me. They are rare.
- MJL

Think the generally accepted definition of a 'star' is anybody who has wide name-recognition and a certain cache among fans. JvR is firmly in that group, being the productive 1LW of the team at the center of the hockey universe.

I'm not gonna ignore Simmonds hot start but I believe Simmonds is now pointless his last three games. I also won't ignore that Simmonds has 7 points to JvR's 5.

However JvR is on the top line for Toronto without a legitimate number one center. He's on their number Power Play unit. He kills penalties. He's used in the shootout and never missed once last season. JvR is their second best player on a notoriously bad team. Simmonds doesn't do half of this on a good team and might be the Flyers third best player.

You might be right but I'd find this tough to argue. If JvR isn't the better player, he's easily the more skilled player.
- SuperSchennBros

Simmonds is better on the PP, and he doesn't play with one of the top offensive players in the game at ES the way that JVR does. Simmonds is a terror on the wall and around the net.
And how does how good the team that the player plays on, and how much talent each teams has, factor into how good each individual player is?

who is playing goalie, Ray?

Think the generally accepted definition of a 'star' is anybody who has wide name-recognition and a certain cache among fans. JvR is firmly in that group, being the productive 1LW of the team at the center of the hockey universe.
- Tomahawk

Tons and tons of players have wide name recognition. That's not the definition of a star. He's a pretty good player, and a good goal scorer. But not a star player in my opinion.

who is playing goalie, Ray?
- Marc D

Yes

Tons and tons
- MJL

Yeah, by weight, I would say that's correct. About 10-12 tons worth of players.

Simmonds is better on the PP, and he doesn't play with one of the top offensive players in the game at ES the way that JVR does. Simmonds is a terror on the wall and around the net.
And how does how good the team that the player plays on, and how much talent each teams has, factor into how good each individual player is?
- MJL

Simmonds is great along the walls and in the crease but ES Simmonds doesn't produce in bunches anyway. Simmonds isn't expected to JvR is. JvR easily has the better hands and skating and once again, an all situations player for his team.

Kronwall better not try it tonight.

Money aside, I would choose JvR over Simmonds. When comparing contracts, Simmonds is the clear cut option.
- SuperSchennBros

i wouldn't. i think simmonds brings a competitiveness, edge, and grit in front of and around the net the jvr doesn't. he doesn't have the hands that jvr has, but i like the sum of his parts more.

Ghost was on the ice!

Ghost was on the ice!
- PhillySportsGuy

He looked hauntingly comfortable, too.

He looked hauntingly comfortable, too.
- tangent_man

Did not poop his pants

Ghost was on the ice!
- PhillySportsGuy

You ok? You look like you've seen a ghost

Ghost was on the ice!
- PhillySportsGuy

Thanks for the update