It's not like the league to have a rule and then go back on that rule, is it?

/Kovalchuk
//Never Forget
///contract New Jersey
- johndewar

It would just be frustrating because of the whole Pronger thing. They couldn't create some rule to help the Flyers move on from a player who will never play again because of a freak injury.

To let the Kings place Voynov on some special list and allow the team to keep him, but not have him count on the roster would be ridiculous.

I fully expect the league to help them though

I fully expect the league to help them though
- PhillySportsGuy

I think Daly already said they'd consider it if this thing dragged out too long.

Ok. So contract slot and cap hit are freed up
- PhillySportsGuy

I'm going to be the unpopular one here, but playing devil's advocate, what if the court proceedings/investigation/whatever conclude Voynov is not guilty? Why should the Kings suffer either cap punishment or losing a quality player?

It would, but again I'll ask why should the team be punished for what Voynov did?
- MJL

They are only being punished because they don't want to get rid of him. They can solve their problem at any time.

I'm going to be the unpopular one here, but playing devil's advocate, what if the court proceedings/investigation/whatever conclude Voynov is not guilty? Why should the Kings suffer either cap punishment or losing a quality player?
- BulliesPhan87

we dont know the whole story, maybe the wife had a knife, frying pan...women can be abusive also

I'm going to be the unpopular one here, but playing devil's advocate, what if the court proceedings/investigation/whatever conclude Voynov is not guilty? Why should the Kings suffer either cap punishment or losing a quality player?
- BulliesPhan87

Because they committed the money to him. Every signing has risk. The player could get hurt or die or go to jail.

It would just be frustrating because of the whole Pronger thing. They couldn't create some rule to help the Flyers move on from a player who will never play again because of a freak injury.

To let the Kings place Voynov on some special list and allow the team to keep him, but not have him count on the roster would be ridiculous.

I fully expect the league to help them though
- PhillySportsGuy

Agree with you, 100%.

That's why I cited the Devils' situation. They sure found a pragmatic solution to that problem quickly, didn't they?

As a matter of fact, the league fairly went out of their way to say they weren't helping the Flyers when they hired Pronger.

And since we're on the topic of Pronger, how about that (frank)ing Richardless fossil Larry Brooks indirectly blaming Chris Pronger because John Moore wasn't going to be suspended more than 5 games?

It would just be frustrating because of the whole Pronger thing. They couldn't create some rule to help the Flyers move on from a player who will never play again because of a freak injury.

To let the Kings place Voynov on some special list and allow the team to keep him, but not have him count on the roster would be ridiculous.

I fully expect the league to help them though
- PhillySportsGuy

The League created a rule to help a team like the Flyers to deal with a career ending injury to a player.

The two situations aren't remotely the same.
It wouldn't be ridiculous at all. It would simply be the right thing to do.

A trough of spritzer?
- mayorofangrytown

most of it's imported

They are only being punished because they don't want to get rid of him. They can solve their problem at any time.
- PhillySportsGuy

So again, I'll ask why should the Kings be punished and have to lose a good young player? Why should they have to give the player away? You aren't making much sense here.

The League created a rule to help a team like the Flyers to deal with a career ending injury to a player.

The two situations aren't remotely the same.
It wouldn't be ridiculous at all. It would simply be the right thing to do.
- MJL

Except that it wouldn't be.

They are only being punished because they don't want to get rid of him. They can solve their problem at any time.
- PhillySportsGuy

There should be cap relief until the situation is sorted out in court.

The League created a rule to help a team like the Flyers to deal with a career ending injury to a player.

The two situations aren't remotely the same.
It wouldn't be ridiculous at all. It would simply be the right thing to do.
- MJL

On a pedantic level, they aren't the same situation at all.

But, both situations were problems that were outside of either team's control. In one situation, they made a special ruling and in another situation, they didn't. It doesn't need to be understood any more clearly than that.

Because they committed the money to him. Every signing has risk. The player could get hurt or die or go to jail.
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't think that getting tied up in legal/court issues is an implied risk the way injuries are, as far as signing a player to a contract goes.

Because they committed the money to him. Every signing has risk. The player could get hurt or die or go to jail.
- PhillySportsGuy

If the player get's hurt, there are rules to help a team to deal with that. If God forbid a player dies, there are no future cap ramifications for the team. Again, not making much sense here.

Because they committed the money to him. Every signing has risk. The player could get hurt or die or go to jail.
- PhillySportsGuy

Special rules for everyone!

/except Chris Pronger

On a pedantic level, they aren't the same situation at all.

But, both situations were problems that were outside of either team's control. In one situation, they made a special ruling and in another situation, they didn't. It doesn't need to be understood any more clearly than that.
- johndewar

Which situations are you referring to?

Agree with you, 100%.

That's why I cited the Devils' situation. They sure found a pragmatic solution to that problem quickly, didn't they?

As a matter of fact, the league fairly went out of their way to say they weren't helping the Flyers when they hired Pronger.

And since we're on the topic of Pronger, how about that (frank)ing Richardless fossil Larry Brooks indirectly blaming Chris Pronger because John Moore wasn't going to be suspended more than 5 games?
- johndewar

I just don't understand why the Kings should be helped. The Ravens are still paying Ray Rice and it counts against their cap this year. Same with the Patriots and Hernandez last season.

I might be willing to let the Kings take Voynov off of the roster. There is no way in (frank)ing hell I would allow them to use his cap hit and contract slot though.

Except that it wouldn't be.
- mcefalu

Sure it would.

I don't think that getting tied up in legal/court issues is an implied risk the way injuries are, as far as signing a player to a contract goes.
- BulliesPhan87

Don't these contracts have morals clauses or some such thing?

i think Schenn and Grossmann packaged together could get you something nice in return.
- wilsonecho91

which schenn ?

Don't these contracts have morals clauses or some such thing?
- johndewar

idk tbh

which schenn ?
- MrBigglesworth

the lazy one.

Which situations are you referring to?
- MJL

I was comparing the situation where the NHL gifted New Jersey a draft pick because Kovalchuk went to Russia and the Flyers' situation with Chris Pronger.

I feel like the NHL could easily have figured something out in a situation like Pronger's where he's obviously not going to play again. Instead, they chose to give him a job in the league office and continue the facade (via the LTIR process) that he's actually going to ever play again.

Don't these contracts have morals clauses or some such thing?
- johndewar

sure. but what is that going to do? So you are saying that the Kings should be forced to exercise their right to terminate the contract in order to receive cap relief? pretty extreme.