Weird thing I was pondering at work. If we want Schenn to play center, would you trade Vinny for Stephen Weiss? I think Weiss can play wing where Vinny can't. Just curious as I think age is the same and soe are the deals.
- J35Bacher

Vinny's contract would be easier to trade, but Weiss' deal would provide more short-term savings via buyout. Toss-up.

If it's with the intention of keeping (and playing) one of them, I'll take Vinny.

LA is as difficult a test as we can get. they will make mincemeat out of our d corp.
- wilsonecho91

They are the best team in the League. No Kopitar or Voynov and playing a man short evens the playing field a bit.

Vinny's contract would be easier to trade, but Weiss' deal would provide more short-term savings via buyout. Toss-up.

If it's with the intention of keeping (and playing) one of them, I'll take Vinny.
- Tomahawk

Yeah i was thinking that it is pretty much the only one for one swap you can make without keeping any salary. Plus I actually think each guy would do better in the other teams system

Yeah i was thinking that it is pretty much the only one for one swap you can make without keeping any salary. Plus I actually think each guy would do better in the other teams system
- J35Bacher

I'm personally looking forward to Lecavalier returning. It's a shame he got hurt, because he looked good in the first few games.

I have zero issue with the NHL's response. It was immediate and powerful.
- Jsaquella

I'm ok with their response as well. I do think an argument can be made that the team should not be punished by his cap hit. But suspending him was the correct action.

I'm ok with their response as well. I do think an argument can be made that the team should not be punished by his cap hit. But suspending him was the correct action.
- FlyersGrace

No question. There should be a zero tolerance for that sort of behavior.

I'm ok with their response as well. I do think an argument can be made that the team should not be punished by his cap hit. But suspending him was the correct action.
- FlyersGrace

Yes. I am glad to see forward strides from all sports regarding these matters.

However, I don't agree with the idea of giving the team temporary cap relief. Its a risk every team takes on when signing a player. Follow the rules already outlined in the CBA and don't hug the cap so tightly. Simple as that.

I meant 3:2 odds. I don't know why I said 5:2
- PhillySportsGuy

3:2...fair enough. $3 if no goal, $2 if goal.

So the league that has guys who punch each other in the face and swing sticks at each other, elbow each other in the head, is the league without thugs?

While the league with a majority of minority players who simply talk tough and dress differently for cameras, where fighting and leaving the bench leads to suspensions, is the league full of thugs.

My cultural understanding never ceases to grow on the Internet
- AllInForFlyers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUqCtPvKwu8

Thug life. #HartnellDown

BTW Nolan deserves a suspension for this play IMHO because it would stop this BS (like the squirting water on PK).

Holy hell:
http://thecommittedindian...favorite-hawk-bobby-hull/
- Tomahawk

Wow, never knew any of that. Hard to have the same amount of respect for an organization that let's him act as their ambassador

I'm ok with their response as well. I do think an argument can be made that the team should not be punished by his cap hit. But suspending him was the correct action.
- FlyersGrace

You could also argue that they could waive him at any time. Not having cap relief could be construed as a way for a team to be punished for keeping the player employed. However, the player could easily be claimed or sign with another team with no repercussions so that wouldn't be all that fair.

Wow, never knew any of that. Hard to have the same amount of respect for an organization that let's him act as their ambassador
- mcefalu

When Brett came into the league there was a lot of discussion about his relationship with his father. IIRC they hadn't spoken in 10 yrs or so. I pretty much figured even if fans weren't around when Bobby played they would know about it when Brett played. Bobby Hull maybe the most disgusting figures in the game. It's a wonder they trot him out all the time for the fans. How short sighted are the fans in Chicago you have to wonder?

I'm amazed Sean Burke skated through Philly unscathed. I know a handful of people who were angry about his acquisition but not many.

I find it ironic that Varlamov is playing for Patrick Roy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUqCtPvKwu8

Thug life. #HartnellDown

BTW Nolan deserves a suspension for this play IMHO because it would stop this BS (like the squirting water on PK).
- coffee junkie

It's just amazing to me that this perception continues to exist, simply because of skin color.

One league has line brawls and bench-clearing brawls in its history. Just last year, Shawn Thornton attacks Brooks Orpik and drives his head into the ice repeatedly.

But because LeBron James has tattoos and doesn't always speak English well, he's either a thug, or in a league full of thugs.

Go figure.

When Brett came into the league there was a lot of discussion about his relationship with his father. IIRC they hadn't spoken in 10 yrs or so. I pretty much figured even if fans weren't around when Bobby played they would know about it when Brett played. Bobby Hull maybe the most disgusting figures in the game. It's a wonder they trot him out all the time for the fans. How short sighted are the fans in Chicago you have to wonder?

I'm amazed Sean Burke skated through Philly unscathed. I know a handful of people who were angry about his acquisition but not many.

I find it ironic that Varlamov is playing for Patrick Roy.
- mayorofangrytown

It wasn't the 24/7 news cycle it is now -- people got passes back then that they simply would not get now

Um, where the (frank) is gunk's let's go flyers chant? Did I miss it??

It's just amazing to me that this perception continues to exist, simply because of skin color.

One league has line brawls and bench-clearing brawls in its history. Just last year, Shawn Thornton attacks Brooks Orpik and drives his head into the ice repeatedly.

But because LeBron James has tattoos and doesn't always speak English well, he's either a thug, or in a league full of thugs.

Go figure.
- AllInForFlyers

I think it's funny that hockey is seen as having no thugs but fighting is built into the rules of the game. You could argue that the game has bred thugs for decades.

When Brett came into the league there was a lot of discussion about his relationship with his father. IIRC they hadn't spoken in 10 yrs or so. I pretty much figured even if fans weren't around when Bobby played they would know about it when Brett played. Bobby Hull maybe the most disgusting figures in the game. It's a wonder they trot him out all the time for the fans. How short sighted are the fans in Chicago you have to wonder?

I'm amazed Sean Burke skated through Philly unscathed. I know a handful of people who were angry about his acquisition but not many.

I find it ironic that Varlamov is playing for Patrick Roy.
- mayorofangrytown

Since I live in Chicago, I do my fair share of rooting for the team and a lot of my friends here are die hard hawks fans. I'm curious to know how many of them are aware of Bobby Hull's off the ice demeanor.

I'm also fairly confident that some of my friends who are more recent hawks fans and are paying more attention to hockey as a sport probably don't even know who Bobby Hull is.

Wow, never knew any of that. Hard to have the same amount of respect for an organization that let's him act as their ambassador
- mcefalu

Me neither.....bad stuff.

I think it's funny that hockey is seen as having no thugs but fighting is built into the rules of the game. You could argue that the game has bred thugs for decades.
- NickTheKid87

Of course it has -- because people watch it. But culture is a funny thing, because it's only when a certain kind of person who does it that it's socially acceptable.

Mike Milbury and the Bruins go into the stands and fight, where Milbury hits a guy with his own shoe? Lovable scamps. Give Milbury a TV job.

Ron Artest and Jermaine O'Neal go into the stands in Detroit? Kick them out of the league for the rest of the year, including the playoffs.

It's just funny how that stuff works.

Of course it has -- because people watch it. But culture is a funny thing, because it's only when a certain kind of person who does it that it's socially acceptable.

Mike Milbury and the Bruins go into the stands and fight, where Milbury hits a guy with his own shoe? Lovable scamps. Give Milbury a TV job.

Ron Artest and Jermaine O'Neal go into the stands in Detroit? Kick them out of the league for the rest of the year, including the playoffs.

It's just funny how that stuff works.
- AllInForFlyers

Yet another reason this dude should not be involved in the sport

If you did than you wouldnt be saying Mason needs to be "rebuilt".
- GOA88

He has not been bad at all. I am not typically someone who stands up for a goalie when he allows a lot of goals. But I simply cant blame him for the results as of yet. His defense has been a complete joke in front of him.
- GOA88

When it comes to Steve Mason and his current situation, this is my logic.

Steve Mason was acquired by the Flyers on Wednesday, April 3rd, 2013. Last season Mason had a very good season but am I expected to believe Mason went from struggling for 4 seasons in Columbus, being traded to Philadelphia on April 3rd, 2013 to becoming a "top 10" goalie today on October 28th, 2014 with two off seasons to account for? It cannot be ignored that Mason had a rough number of seasons that went beyond who he played for before coming here.

Now, there is no question that Mason is our starter but it's October. Things aren't going to look the same in mid-April. This very idea that Mason is our starter, so he has to play, is a made up concept. Mason doesn't have to play. Berube doesn't have to put him in. Craig Berube's job is to win first and right now Emery is getting us these wins.

Tonight I don't expect to win. The LA Kings are the Stanley Cup champions. Right now they're the third best team in the league and second best in the west. If we lose tonight, I'm hoping that it isn't an excuse to get Mason in on Thursday. Let's put Mason's confidence aside because I have no idea what he's thinking but let's say he's got confidence like Terrell Owens. He's just not getting it done right now and Emery is. If Mason gets the nod Thursday and gets lit up by the Lightning, then what? Confidence or lack of, I feel Mason has a better chance of gaining his first victory and getting on a roll starting Saturday.

Earlier today I read a suggestion that Emery hasn't seen as quality of shots as Mason has so far. Oh please, Emery was great against Montreal in a game we should have won! Then last Saturday he was solid against the Red Wings in a game where we should have lost! To say Emery has been good but not great is not giving him the credit he deserves. He kept us in the games we've won. We were opportunists against the Red Wings. The Pittsburgh Penguins are never a gimme. I'm not at all saying Emery should be our starter but if the team plays better in front of him then they do in front of Mason...guess who I want to see play?

I'm not asking you guys to agree but I'm more concerned with collecting wins, not who gets them.

I think it's funny that hockey is seen as having no thugs but fighting is built into the rules of the game. You could argue that the game has bred thugs for decades.
- NickTheKid87

I understand your penchant for equality and what have you, but fighting in a sport doesnt equate to the "thug" mentality. Is boxing thug like?

The thug life thing exists because people want it to exist.

http://www.washingtontime...nintelligence-celebrated/

The stuff happening during games isnt thug like, its sports like. Its the portrayal that certain athlete flaunt that get called thug like. And no, it's not strictly a race thing, although that does play a big part of it.

Hockey players (as a majority) are different athletes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUqCtPvKwu8

Thug life. #HartnellDown

BTW Nolan deserves a suspension for this play IMHO because it would stop this BS (like the squirting water on PK).
- coffee junkie

Hartsy, engaging in street violence near his old pals Carts and Richie.

Miss you, #CaptainGravity.....

Of course it has -- because people watch it. But culture is a funny thing, because it's only when a certain kind of person who does it that it's socially acceptable.

Mike Milbury and the Bruins go into the stands and fight, where Milbury hits a guy with his own shoe? Lovable scamps. Give Milbury a TV job.

Ron Artest and Jermaine O'Neal go into the stands in Detroit? Kick them out of the league for the rest of the year, including the playoffs.

It's just funny how that stuff works.
- AllInForFlyers

It is also a completely different time. Back then things were extremely different. Not that it was acceptable, but in todays world everything has to be so completely PC and "right".

I had no problem with what Ron Artest and co. did. Hell I loved it. Half the world didnt. It was not right that they "attacked" those guys. BULL poop. Those guys asked for it.

Since I live in Chicago, I do my fair share of rooting for the team and a lot of my friends here are die hard hawks fans. I'm curious to know how many of them are aware of Bobby Hull's off the ice demeanor.

I'm also fairly confident that some of my friends who are more recent hawks fans and are paying more attention to hockey as a sport probably don't even know who Bobby Hull is.
- mcefalu

Fans in their 20s and maybe early 30s may only know the name. The guy should be pretty infamous with people over 40.