The outcome's different, the morality's the same
- AllInForFlyers

I guess that depends on one's moral standards. Nothing wrong with living the single life.

The Kane stuff was incredibly overblown. Young immature men do stupid crap, clowning around. Hell, older immature men continue to do stupid crap.
- MJL

I really hope you're not referring to Kane's incident with the cabbie

I guess that depends on one's moral standards. Nothing wrong with living the single life.
- MJL

Shawn Kemp wasn't married, either. The only difference is that he was less responsible about his single lifestyle

I really hope you're not referring to Kane's incident with the cabbie
- mcefalu

Wrong Kane.

The Kane stuff was incredibly overblown. Young immature men do stupid crap, clowning around. Hell, older immature men continue to do stupid crap.
- MJL

And young, immature men have been doing it for a long time, too.

It's not like there was ever some "good old days" where the great athletes were in by curfew and drank milk at home. That's the real myth.

For exhibit A in support of my case, I give you the entire playing career, on and off the field, of Mickey Mantle.

I really hope you're not referring to Kane's incident with the cabbie
- mcefalu

I assumed he meant Evander.

Wrong Kane.
- MJL

And you did.

Wrong Kane.
- MJL

Glad I checked

Shawn Kemp wasn't married, either. The only difference is that he was less responsible about his single lifestyle
- AllInForFlyers

That's a big difference.

There'd be a lot of pictures of me in basements with a red cup.
- mayorofangrytown

red solo cup?

And young, immature men have been doing it for a long time, too.

It's not like there was ever some "good old days" where the great athletes were in by curfew and drank milk at home. That's the real myth.

For exhibit A in support of my case, I give you the entire playing career, on and off the field, of Mickey Mantle.
- johndewar

No question. But a big difference is, that with a lot of the old time players, you hear about it second hand, or in a book. Now, athlete A is out and about having a good time, pictures are posted on the internet. Which led to all the nonsense about Carter and Richards. Flyers Cup teams were heavy drinkers, always out at the bar.

red solo cup?
- ob18

Sure, whatever gets me through another playing of "Come On Eileen"

That's a big difference.
- MJL

To you; I just see a womanizing professional athlete -- doesn't mean either should be sentenced to a prison camp, but they are the same predatory creatures

To you; I just see a womanizing professional athlete -- doesn't mean either should be sentenced to a prison camp, but they are the same predatory creatures
- AllInForFlyers

You didn't chase girls when you were younger?

And young, immature men have been doing it for a long time, too.

It's not like there was ever some "good old days" where the great athletes were in by curfew and drank milk at home. That's the real myth.

For exhibit A in support of my case, I give you the entire playing career, on and off the field, of Mickey Mantle.
- johndewar

Absolutely -- the greenies culture in baseball in the 70s, the heroin and coke days of the NBA and baseball in the 80s, the marijuana issues of the NBA and NFL today

All the same

You didn't chase girls when you were younger?
- MJL

How is that relevant?

No question. But a big difference is, that with a lot of the old time players, you hear about it second hand, or in a book. Now, athlete A is out and about having a good time, pictures are posted on the internet. Which led to all the nonsense about Carter and Richards. Flyers Cup teams were heavy drinkers, always out at the bar.
- MJL

One difference is they all went to the same bar together. No one will ever claim they were angels but there's a different breed of athlete today with different amounts of disposable income.

You didn't chase girls when you were younger?
- MJL

That's exactly my point -- none of these guys are different than the other, and most of them are doing what many of us would do if we had money and fame

But only one segment of athletes gets called "thugs," when last time I checked, Ryan Malone's drug trial is the only active drug trial in pro sports today -- and it's not in the "league of thugs"

And young, immature men have been doing it for a long time, too.

It's not like there was ever some "good old days" where the great athletes were in by curfew and drank milk at home. That's the real myth.

For exhibit A in support of my case, I give you the entire playing career, on and off the field, of Mickey Mantle.
- johndewar

Yep, Marilyn Monroe could have told you a few things about getting slapped around in public.

How is that relevant?
- mcefalu

Well first of all it was a rhetorical question. Secondly, how is it not relevant?

The only difference between those guys going out and sleeping with a bunch of women and a guy getting them pregnant is his failure in the pull out method.

Say what you will but its worked for me for years.

That's exactly my point -- none of these guys are different than the other, and most of them are doing what many of us would do if we had money and fame

But only one segment of athletes gets called "thugs," when last time I checked, Ryan Malone's drug trial is the only active drug trial in pro sports today -- and it's not in the "league of thugs"
- AllInForFlyers

Well that's a different argument. And you're right, we are all pretty much the same. And some pro athletes are undoubtedly womanizers. But some are just young out having a good time. I'm not going to hold it against them morally, because they're more successful at it then I was or most normal guys are, due to their cultural status.

The only difference between those guys going out and sleeping with a bunch of women and a guy getting them pregnant is his failure in the pull out method.

Say what you will but its worked for me for years.
- flyer_nutter

Not very impressed. But regardless, more information then I want to hear.

Not very impressed. But regardless, more information then I want to hear.
- MJL

Shot through the heart.

One difference is they all went to the same bar together. No one will ever claim they were angels but there's a different breed of athlete today with different amounts of disposable income.
- mayorofangrytown

Out and about is out and about. Not sure there is a different breed today. Differing kinds of humanity like there would be with any group of people.