So... when are people going to realize that the "T" in OTL doesn't stand for Tie and the "L" actually stands for Loss?

"The Flyers now find themselves one game over .500."

no.

"Somehow, some way, the Flyers (4-3-2) will crawl out of a once-horrifying October riddled with land mines and injuries guaranteed at least a .500 record. They can be as many as two games over even with a victory in Tampa Bay tomorrow night."

no.

Even if you go by pts. they have 10 and have given up 12.

I'm stunned that they're getting out of October with at least 10 pts but accuracy folks, accuracy.
- mayorofangrytown

That isn't correct.

The accurate way is to view through points gained vs points available.

They have played nine games. In the standings, those games are worth a maximum of two points to the victor.

Therefore, those games are worth 18 points.

The Flyers have 10 points, by virtue of winning four, losing three and splitting the points available in two.

They didn't lose. They only got one of the two points available.

They are one game over .500.

So... when are people going to realize that the "T" in OTL doesn't stand for Tie and the "L" actually stands for Loss?

"The Flyers now find themselves one game over .500."

no.

"Somehow, some way, the Flyers (4-3-2) will crawl out of a once-horrifying October riddled with land mines and injuries guaranteed at least a .500 record. They can be as many as two games over even with a victory in Tampa Bay tomorrow night."

no.

Even if you go by pts. they have 10 and have given up 12.

I'm stunned that they're getting out of October with at least 10 pts but accuracy folks, accuracy.
- mayorofangrytown

You can also look at as the max points they could have right now is 18, they have 10 or .556%

Also points given up is misleading. For example giving up an extra OT point to LA, a Western Conf. team is meaningless.

Hopefully, this will make you very, very angry.... an overtime loss isnt really a loss. You just didnt win. Its like when your favorite soccer team loses in penalty kicks.. you didnt lose, you merely failed to advance.

Be angry for me. Please?
- Doc_Sarcasm

An OTL is a real loss, IMO, regardless of points. A SOL is a fake loss like losing in penalty kicks.

Bryz threw a lot of sticks and people hated him.
- KGBflyers10

Bryz threw his stick and it went glove high

He was Russian though. They are born not to care. It's science.
- PhillySportsGuy

When you've won in the past, people see stick breaking as a sign of your competitiveness.

When you haven't won, people see stick breaking as a sign of being weak mentally or even immaturity.

Bull Durham actually covered something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhGq7qmm6dw

Did Manning take Ghost's place?

That isn't correct.

The accurate way is to view through points gained vs points available.

They have played nine games. In the standings, those games are worth a maximum of two points to the victor.

Therefore, those games are worth 18 points.

The Flyers have 10 points, by virtue of winning four, losing three and splitting the points available in two.

They didn't lose. They only got one of the two points available.

They are one game over .500.
- AllInForFlyers

It's been said before but they really need to reform the point system.

It's just a PR thing. It's a reasonable way to make the team look better than it actually is.
- NickTheKid87

It's dumb and reporters shouldn't be doing PR

An OTL is a real loss, IMO, regardless of points. A SOL is a fake loss like losing in penalty kicks.
- NickTheKid87

It would make more sense to me if a regulation/OT win was worth 3 pts and an regulation/OT loss worth zero. Shootouts could remain the same, 2 pts to the winner, 1 to the loser

Did Manning take Ghost's place?
- Streit2ThePoint

I think they just want 7 Dmen for the FLA road trip

That isn't correct.

The accurate way is to view through points gained vs points available.

They have played nine games. In the standings, those games are worth a maximum of two points to the victor.

Therefore, those games are worth 18 points.

The Flyers have 10 points, by virtue of winning four, losing three and splitting the points available in two.

They didn't lose. They only got one of the two points available.

They are one game over .500.
- AllInForFlyers

You are wrong and should try to take some time to justify why you're wasting your life on here attempting to push forth wrong-minded thinking instead of playing with you kids and dog.

Put down the laptop and throw the damn ball dad.

It's dumb and reporters shouldn't be doing PR
- mayorofangrytown

It's PR from the club and they're just picking it up. It's a common held idea, "hockey .500"

It would make more sense to me if a regulation/OT win was worth 3 pts and an regulation/OT loss worth zero. Shootouts could remain the same, 2 pts to the winner, 1 to the loser
- BiggE

I like that a lot better. Shootout losses shouldn't be the same as an overtime loss for obvious reasons.

I think they just want 7 Dmen for the FLA road trip
- BiggE

Thanks

It's PR from the club and they're just picking it up. It's a common held idea, "hockey .500"
- NickTheKid87

Both of those quotes came from reporters and weren't quotes from the team.

They should strive to be better than that.

You are wrong and should try to take some time to justify why you're wasting your life on here attempting to push forth wrong-minded thinking instead of playing with you kids and dog.

Put down the laptop and throw the damn ball dad.
- mayorofangrytown

oh me. here here. im open!

You are wrong and should try to take some time to justify why you're wasting your life on here attempting to push forth wrong-minded thinking instead of playing with you kids and dog.

Put down the laptop and throw the damn ball dad.
- mayorofangrytown

oh me. here here. im open!

It would make more sense to me if a regulation/OT win was worth 3 pts and an regulation/OT loss worth zero. Shootouts could remain the same, 2 pts to the winner, 1 to the loser
- BiggE

It's fine the way it is -- seriously. It is. People overthink this.

Before shootouts, games ended in ties. Teams would get only one point. Fine.

But you still could lose in OT, just like you do now...and you would get one point. The other team would get the extra point.

The only thing that has changed is that the shootout means someone gets that extra point every single time.

It only would matter if the NHL made it so the loser in overtime got no points. That would be a loss.

ah first post of the day and its a double dipper. my sincerest apologies

Both of those quotes came from reporters and weren't quotes from the team.

They should strive to be better than that.
- mayorofangrytown

I think it's at a point where it's such a commonly held idea that reporters don't think twice. I think it probably originated from teams trying to sound better than they really were but now it's accepted lexicon.

ah first post of the day and its a double dipper. my sincerest apologies
- stayinthefnnet

You blew it!

You blew it!
- mcefalu

guess i wasnt open after all.

It's fine the way it is -- seriously. It is. People overthink this.

Before shootouts, games ended in ties. Teams would get only one point. Fine.

But you still could lose in OT, just like you do now...and you would get one point. The other team would get the extra point.

The only thing that has changed is that the shootout means someone gets that extra point every single time.

It only would matter if the NHL made it so the loser in overtime got no points. That would be a loss.
- AllInForFlyers

Just for clarifications sake, when the NHL first instituted OT, the loser got zero pts, and there were still ties. All games were worth a max of 2 points. The problem began as soon as some games were worth 2 pts while some worth 3. Its a flawed system

guess i wasnt open after all.
- stayinthefnnet

Anthony Davis most likely blocked it

I think it's at a point where it's such a commonly held idea that reporters don't think twice. I think it probably originated from teams trying to sound better than they really were but now it's accepted lexicon.
- NickTheKid87

You can't be serious -- this is just math. Bill and the reporters are right, because a SO loss isn't really a loss, mathematically. It just isn't - you got one of two points available.

If you finish 0-0-82, how many points do you have? 82.

If you finish 82-0-0, how many points do you have? 164.

Ok. If another team beats you in the shootout 82 times, how many points do you have? 82. How points do they have? 164.

The math says it all: You are a .500 team. Because you split the points available.