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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 30 @ 4:47 PM ET
That's not the kind of plays that bother Berube.
- MJL

I can vouch. Roob just texted me this too.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Oct 30 @ 4:48 PM ET
haha okay, Despite being King of Internet, I didn't wanna come off as a know-it-all, because I knew what you were getting at.

Then again, you wouldn't have made the mistake if you had any Philadelphia in you.

- jmatchett383


christ. i must have missed a lot when i took a nap at my desk for 2 hours.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 30 @ 4:48 PM ET
Ha! That would not surprise me -- obviously, it's only two games. But I do believe that, just from watching this organization over the years, that how Ghost develops is gonna be interesting.

That was just one play. But the fact that Ghost even thought about doing it, let alone did it, instead of ripping it off the glass...I am curious to see how that works out.

Video and practice sessions would probably be quite amusing.

- AllInForFlyers


Someone may have already posted this but I thought this analysis in Ghost's defense of that particular play was interesting - http://www.letsgoflyers.n...dy-shayne-gostisbehere-2/
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Oct 30 @ 4:49 PM ET
Vaguely. I remember he was messing with Dave Isaac .
- Jsaquella


He was a nut job. The people that believed him were just as bad.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 30 @ 4:49 PM ET
That is true. I just glanced at his total games and saw that he didn't stick around for very long. I would still set Owen Nolan on a higher tier than Daigle and Stefan if for nothing more than longevity
- mcefalu


Oh sure. Nolan had a very good career. 422 goals, 885 points-more than Hall of Famer Bill Barber, FWIW.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 30 @ 4:49 PM ET
The Ghost is gone
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 30 @ 4:50 PM ET
That's not the kind of plays that bother Berube.
- MJL


If Jason Akeson making a cross-ice pass at the blue line in a 2-1 game bothers Berube, I'm gonna go out on a limb and extrapolate that maybe, just maybe, he might have some concern about a 170-pound defenseman bringing a puck in front of his own goaltender with two forecheckers on him.

Now, I could be wrong. Very easily could be wrong.

But I'm thinking Berube has an opinion about that play. Not saying that's why he's scratched, but at the same time...he is scratched.
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Oct 30 @ 4:50 PM ET
That is true. I just glanced at his total games and saw that he didn't stick around for very long. I would still set Owen Nolan on a higher tier than Daigle and Stefan if for nothing more than longevity
- mcefalu



Owen Nolan is V 1.0 of Shane Doan...I agree that is hardly a terrible career. A glue guy...just not an offensive dynamo and "game changer".
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 30 @ 4:50 PM ET
Well, thanks for clearing that up.
- bradleyc4



You're welcome.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 30 @ 4:51 PM ET
Owen Nolan is V 1.0 of Shane Doan...I agree that is hardly a terrible career. A glue guy...just not an offensive dynamo and "game changer".
- juiced


Yeah I'd say that is a good comparison
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 30 @ 4:52 PM ET
I can vouch. Roob just texted me this too.
- Giroux_Is_God


Hadn't seen that nickname yet but I hope to see it a lot more
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 30 @ 4:55 PM ET
Hadn't seen that nickname yet but I hope to see it a lot more
- mcefalu

Yeah that's what I have him in my phone as
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Oct 30 @ 4:55 PM ET
Hadn't seen that nickname yet but I hope to see it a lot more
- mcefalu


If we call Berube "Rube/Roob" then the Phillies have to fire Ruben Amaro Jr. because he's "Rube". I'm on board.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 30 @ 4:55 PM ET
Someone may have already posted this but I thought this analysis in Ghost's defense of that particular play was interesting - http://www.letsgoflyers.n...dy-shayne-gostisbehere-2/
- mcefalu

that is a great breakdown

I loved the move by Ghost
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Oct 30 @ 4:55 PM ET
Ha we have the best equipment manager in the league. Here's Derek Settlemyre scaring Raffl:
http://videos-d-1.ak.inst...55204861_2142210373_n.mp4
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 30 @ 4:57 PM ET
Ha we have the best equipment manager in the league. Here's Derek Settlemyre scaring Raffl:
http://videos-d-1.ak.inst...55204861_2142210373_n.mp4

- JAKEw1234

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 30 @ 4:57 PM ET
If Jason Akeson making a cross-ice pass at the blue line in a 2-1 game bothers Berube, I'm gonna go out on a limb and extrapolate that maybe, just maybe, he might have some concern about a 170-pound defenseman bringing a puck in front of his own goaltender with two forecheckers on him.

Now, I could be wrong. Very easily could be wrong.

But I'm thinking Berube has an opinion about that play. Not saying that's why he's scratched, but at the same time...he is scratched.

- AllInForFlyers



I don't think he would have a problem with a defenseman using his physical tools and skating ability to avoid a forecheck, and outlet the puck. It is risky, but the best puck moving defenseman make risky plays. Teams forecheck so hard, and the best teams skate so well, that plays like that have to be made on occasion. You see defenseman all the time, use the net to avoid the forecheck. And in my opinion, that's a different situation then a low percentage cross ice pass. I personally don't see that kind of play bothering Berube. I see bad passes, unnecessary icings, giveaways, blown coverages, etc. bothering Berube. Not a player using his athletic ability to evade the forecheck.

Now I could be wrong also, but that's the way I see it.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 30 @ 4:58 PM ET
Ha we have the best equipment manager in the league. Here's Derek Settlemyre scaring Raffl:
http://videos-d-1.ak.inst...55204861_2142210373_n.mp4

- JAKEw1234

His cackling just makes this oh that's too good
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 30 @ 5:01 PM ET
Someone may have already posted this but I thought this analysis in Ghost's defense of that particular play was interesting - http://www.letsgoflyers.n...dy-shayne-gostisbehere-2/
- mcefalu



Now there is an author who knows and understands the game. Interesting quotes by Mike Johnson also.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 30 @ 5:01 PM ET
that is a great breakdown

I loved the move by Ghost

- Marc D


Was it a risky play? For sure. But Ghost has the skill to pull it off. It looked scary when I initially saw it but it didn't result in a goal or even a scoring chance for the opposing team. So looks like it worked out.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 30 @ 5:02 PM ET
Now there is an author who knows and understands the game. Interesting quotes by Mike Johnson also.
- MJL


Yeah, I thought it was very interesting and provided good analysis of the circumstances
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 30 @ 5:08 PM ET
Was it a risky play? For sure. But Ghost has the skill to pull it off. It looked scary when I initially saw it but it didn't result in a goal or even a scoring chance for the opposing team. So looks like it worked out.
- mcefalu


I still would prefer a flip out to center ice 99 times out of 100.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 30 @ 5:09 PM ET
Now there is an author who knows and understands the game. Interesting quotes by Mike Johnson also.
- MJL


There isn't a single person on this board, I would bet, who doesn't understand what we saw.

That doesn't mean it wasn't without risk -- a portion of Babcock's quote says it all, to me: They’re coming hard with one, they’re taking the wall with two, and probably the other side with three, there’s a space that you can execute in front of your net. Obviously the problem is when you turn the puck over in front of your net sometimes it ends up in your net. But I’m a big believer in getting back and executing fast so you don’t have to play in D-zone coverage at all.

Which is exactly my point: It'll be interesting to see how much risk tolerance everyone has when it inevitably winds up in the back of the Flyers' net.

I said that when he did it. There's a significant downside to that play. Doesn't mean he can't try it, but I'll withhold praise that it's a new era in Flyers hockey until we see the reactions when he gets stripped of the puck.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 30 @ 5:11 PM ET
I still would prefer a flip out to center ice 99 times out of 100.
- jmatchett383


I mean, I'm not saying he should get into the habit of doing that, but I'd like to think Ghost knew most of the safer options weren't really viable at that point
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 30 @ 5:14 PM ET
Nope just keep on keepin on
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