Plus minus is silly.
- ClarksonDavid

dumbest stat in hockey.

dumbest stat in hockey.
- sensarmy_11

Its an ok team number and not too shabby when used in conjunction with much better telling advanced stats. But alone as a statistic is as reliable as a stat telling how many posts were hit compared to shots wide.

How's that Swedish dman Sens drafted doing in the SHL? I can't rermember his name, I think he was a second rounder.
- ClarksonDavid

That would be Andreas Englund. He's a good kid. Probably was a bit undervalued in the draft rankings. Nothing spectacular in the SHL, but I think he has played all games for Djurgården this season. Strong stay home type of dman. Exactly what Sens need within a few years.
...or right now actually

How's that Swedish dman Sens drafted doing in the SHL? I can't rermember his name, I think he was a second rounder.
- ClarksonDavid

3 pts in 18 games......but considering he was drafted as a defensive d-man, not sure how telling that is.

3 pts in 18 games......but considering he was drafted as a defensive d-man, not sure how telling that is.
- sensarmy_11

The only way to really assess is his game is by watching and checking out his Corsi% and Fenwick%, other than that he isn't going to put up a lot of points.

you really think vermette is what's missing on this team? it's an incredibly short sighted move. this team is MUCH MUCH MUCH better served long term riding with turris and zibby as their top six centers.

ottawa would be incredibly stupid to make desperate moves simply to qualify for the playoffs this year, especially if they have to give up good young assets to do it.
- sensarmy_11

trading for Hemsky was a stupid move, adding Vermette who will still have the speed in 4-5 years to be a difference maker, his D play and PK'ing, his Faceoff % - everything Ottawa needs in one player - speed, F/O, Great neutral zone player, PK'ing and a Center with Speed who can score (he can also play LW)

trading for Hemsky was a stupid move, adding Vermette who will still have the speed in 4-5 years to be a difference maker, his D play and PK'ing, his Faceoff % - everything Ottawa needs in one player - speed, F/O, Great neutral zone player, PK'ing and a Center with Speed who can score (he can also play LW)
- tuna99

Let go of Vermette, we don't need him. Try to find a top-4 that a weak team is willing to part with at a relatively low cost. I don't think you'll find one this early on.

The Hemsky trade although it was of no avail, did somewhat increase the value of Spezza, and you got to remember Melnyk and Murray believed the team could make the Playoffs; it was a last ditch effort.

trading for Hemsky was a stupid move, adding Vermette who will still have the speed in 4-5 years to be a difference maker, his D play and PK'ing, his Faceoff % - everything Ottawa needs in one player - speed, F/O, Great neutral zone player, PK'ing and a Center with Speed who can score (he can also play LW)
- tuna99

I'd love to get Yandle or Boedker from Arizona, but Vermette doesn't seem like the player we need moving forward.

Ottawa needs more talent on the back end (Yandle) & more scoring from the wing (Boedker).

3 pts in 18 games......but considering he was drafted as a defensive d-man, not sure how telling that is.
- sensarmy_11

I don't know much about the SHL, doing good in that league I'm sure doesn't hurt when looking to evaluate prospects. I know Leafs have two young swedes doing great in the SHL, not sure how it will translate to the NHL though

This thread is really all over the place. Anyhow, it shall be interesting to see what the team does with Lazar. One game left until they have to make a decision.

trading for Hemsky was a stupid move, adding Vermette who will still have the speed in 4-5 years to be a difference maker, his D play and PK'ing, his Faceoff % - everything Ottawa needs in one player - speed, F/O, Great neutral zone player, PK'ing and a Center with Speed who can score (he can also play LW)
- tuna99

why would ottawa sign him for the next 4-5 years?

he's already 32.....and they already have more centers then they can fit in the lineup.

I don't know much about the SHL, doing good in that league I'm sure doesn't hurt when looking to evaluate prospects. I know Leafs have two young swedes doing great in the SHL, not sure how it will translate to the NHL though
- ClarksonDavid

i think it's a crapshoot really....wouldn't put much stock into the numbers, would focus rather on the style of play, and if it's transferable to the NHL. rundblad and silfverberg dominated the SHL, and neither have developed into much in the NHL.

This thread is really all over the place. Anyhow, it shall be interesting to see what the team does with Lazar. One game left until they have to make a decision.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I think they'll keep him beyond the 9 games, but depending on where they are at around the half point, might still send him back down.

bob mckenzie was saying that not many teams care about the 9 game and burning a year of ELC, and in fact said some teams view it as an advantage seeing as kids will only have 2, instead of 3 years worth of play to negotiate their next contract. he was saying people care more about the 38 game mark (think it was 38, it's somewhere near the halfway mark) which is the point when you start eating into a players RFA years......he said that is what teams care about now.

This thread is really all over the place. Anyhow, it shall be interesting to see what the team does with Lazar. One game left until they have to make a decision.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I think they keep him in the NHL. He is the real deal and it will help a player with his complete skill set develope further/faster.

Also it could be more beneficial for management when they resign him as an RFA in 2 years rather than 3 years.

i think it's a crapshoot really....wouldn't put much stock into the numbers, would focus rather on the style of play, and if it's transferable to the NHL. rundblad and silfverberg dominated the SHL, and neither have developed into much in the NHL.
- sensarmy_11

Hard to say, everyone thought Runblad was going to be a big thing in the NHL, and it didn't work out so far. Silfverberg is a not bad NHL player imo, I still like him. Plus the two leaf guys are doing it at a younger age which is exciting. I think they're both good prospects, whether don cherry agrees or not

Hard to say, everyone thought Runblad was going to be a big thing in the NHL, and it didn't work out so far. Silfverberg is a not bad NHL player imo, I still like him. Plus the two leaf guys are doing it at a younger age which is exciting. I think they're both good prospects, whether don cherry agrees or not
- ClarksonDavid

I wasnt' questioning whether or not your prospects were good, just saying that good stats in the SHL don't necessarily translate to NHL success. as for silfverberg, he's on okay 3rd/4th line player, but doubt he'll ever be the top six offensive producer people (myself included) thought he'd be after he tore up the SHL.

at the same time, not having great numbers in the SHL doesn't mean much either. Karlsson had only 11pts in nearly 60 SHL games....and he turned out okay. lol

I wasnt' questioning whether or not your prospects were good, just saying that good stats in the SHL don't necessarily translate to NHL success. as for silfverberg, he's on okay 3rd/4th line player, but doubt he'll ever be the top six offensive producer people (myself included) thought he'd be after he tore up the SHL.

at the same time, not having great numbers in the SHL doesn't mean much either. Karlsson had only 11pts in nearly 60 SHL games....and he turned out okay. lol
- sensarmy_11

Yeah it's weird different players excel at different ages. Hard to say

Yeah it's weird different players excel at different ages. Hard to say
- ClarksonDavid

i think production in development leagues (CHL, NCAA, even the SHL is really just a development league when talking about young kids) are overrated. lots of times there are guys who put up massive points, but are drafted late or sometimes not at all, because scouts see things in their games that aren't "nhl material".

i use Mike Hoffman as an example.....94pts and QMJHL mvp, drafted 5th rd.

i think how scouts feel about HOW a player plays is as much or more important than the stats they put up.

now you have the obvious exceptions, like McDavid.......42pts in 14 games

i think production in development leagues (CHL, NCAA, even the SHL is really just a development league when talking about young kids) are overrated. lots of times there are guys who put up massive points, but are drafted late or sometimes not at all, because scouts see things in their games that aren't "nhl material".

i use Mike Hoffman as an example.....94pts and QMJHL mvp, drafted 5th rd.

i think how scouts feel about HOW a player plays is as much or more important than the stats they put up.

now you have the obvious exceptions, like McDavid.......42pts in 14 games

- sensarmy_11

Mcdavid is unbelievable....

Mcdavid is unbelievable....
- ClarksonDavid

he's gonna put up 200pts if he stays healthy.........in a time where every team doesn't have 7 100pt players (like it was in the 70's and 80's when records were being set). kid is gonna be special. i pray buffalo doesn't get him.......their centers will be in no particular order:

mcdavid
reinhardt
grigorenko
hodgson
girgensons
ennis

ridiculous

he's gonna put up 200pts if he stays healthy.........in a time where every team doesn't have 7 100pt players (like it was in the 70's and 80's when records were being set). kid is gonna be special. i pray buffalo doesn't get him.......their centers will be in no particular order:

mcdavid
reinhardt
grigorenko
hodgson
girgensons
ennis

ridiculous
- sensarmy_11

My hope is Arizona poops the bed all year and picks number 1. I don't want buffalo, Carolina, Edmonton or Calgary getting him.

My hope is Arizona poops the bed all year and picks number 1. I don't want buffalo, Carolina, Edmonton or Calgary getting him.
- ClarksonDavid

as long as he stays out of the east, don't care where he goes........but we're getting stuck with either eichel or mcdavid in the division

as long as he stays out of the east, don't care where he goes........but we're getting stuck with either eichel or mcdavid in the division
- sensarmy_11

Arizona would be good to get him.. He could turn that franchise around. Eichel also sounds awesome, never seen a lot of him though.

Arizona would be good to get him.. He could turn that franchise around. Eichel also sounds awesome, never seen a lot of him though.
- ClarksonDavid

mcdavid in arizona would be great for the NHL.........bettman would LOVE that.

Anytime you are behind the Leafs in the standings you are in trouble.

At the moment (subject to change) I dont see Ryan being remotely arsed that he is an NHL player. This worries me. We spent so much on him. We need him to produce. He could be a major flop and a reason we get laughed at.

Also I believed (I think it was Calsen or GardenSen, sorry) that Karlsson could get 100 points this year. I think I was wrong.

Anyway, all I know is we have the best group of players under the age of 25 in the NHL, so I am sure we will win a cup in the next 4-5 years.