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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 4 @ 4:02 PM ET
YOU GET AN OLD LEAFS DEFENSEMAN!

YOU GET AN OLD LEAFS DEFENSEMAN!
YOU GET AN OLD LEAFS DEFENSEMAN!

YOU ALL GET AN OLD LEAFS DEFENSEMAN!


- johndewar


Well played
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 4 @ 4:08 PM ET
Him getting canned can't come soon enough.
- JFlyers00


I give him all due credit for last year in doing what it took to get the team to the playoffs. That stuff matters to me. And he doesn't control player acquisition.

hell, I even think his system is sound defensively, and they score enough goals for the talent they have.

But I wonder if he is one of those coaches who is just too stubborn for his own good. Like Laviolette before him, it's one thing to have a system, but at some point, you have to take a look at the pieces you have and make adjustments and hard decisions
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Nov 4 @ 4:08 PM ET
You think? Huh -- can't say I would throw myself off a bridge, but I would acknowledge that as a tough deal, with Coburn and Kiwi out for this long
- AllInForFlyers


Its certainly possible.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Nov 4 @ 4:17 PM ET
Well played
- Tomahawk

Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 4 @ 4:19 PM ET
I give him all due credit for last year in doing what it took to get the team to the playoffs. That stuff matters to me. And he doesn't control player acquisition.

hell, I even think his system is sound defensively, and they score enough goals for the talent they have.

But I wonder if he is one of those coaches who is just too stubborn for his own good. Like Laviolette before him, it's one thing to have a system, but at some point, you have to take a look at the pieces you have and make adjustments and hard decisions

- AllInForFlyers

VLC centering Leier and Cousins.

soon
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Nov 4 @ 4:19 PM ET
I give him all due credit for last year in doing what it took to get the team to the playoffs. That stuff matters to me. And he doesn't control player acquisition.

hell, I even think his system is sound defensively, and they score enough goals for the talent they have.

But I wonder if he is one of those coaches who is just too stubborn for his own good. Like Laviolette before him, it's one thing to have a system, but at some point, you have to take a look at the pieces you have and make adjustments and hard decisions

- AllInForFlyers


He deserves some credit for last year, but I feel like he gets too much. The turn around last year was mostly due to Giroux turning it around and backpacking the team. But that's my opinion.

He does have some positives like you've mentioned. I like his system and it ends there for me. His negatives heavily outweigh the positives.

His bias is enough to drive someone crazy. The comments about Cooter. I also can't stand the traditional line combo of:
Primary scoring line
Secondary scoring line
Checking line
"Energy" (possession black hole) line

They have the forward pieces to roll 4 lines. I even think they could put together a very nice top 6 that will leave the opposing team questioning which line to use their "shutdown" players on.

This is a middle of the road team. That may or may not make the playoffs, then may win a round maybe 2 if they're lucky depending on match ups. This isn't their year to win it, and Berube is coaching this team like its now or never.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Nov 4 @ 4:32 PM ET
a margarine gal maybe but no butter
- Marc D



Yeah she's no butter face.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 4 @ 5:07 PM ET
You're right, let's break up wing duos that have been playing well so we can balance things more evenly. It's worked well so far.
- jmatchett383


How have they been playing so well? The Flyers have been very inconsistent as a team at 5 on 5 play, and every line has been inconsistent.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 4 @ 5:11 PM ET
It's all in the wording, because you question how he perceives what is happening.

I question him, or anyone, who says, for example, that Couturier/Read will score more points "if they do the job right."

They are doing their jobs; when you start on the d-zone like they do, not getting scored on is absolutely a successful shift, every time out.

But you can't equate point production with them doing the job right, like people perceive Bergeron and Toews, etc., because those guys get plenty of NZ and o-zone starts

- AllInForFlyers


He didn't equate point production or state that they will score more points. He stated that if they do the job right, that they're going to get plenty of offensive chances.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 4 @ 5:12 PM ET
eh, I wouldn't read too much into beroob's words

I get the impression he doesn't give a fck about what the media think

- Marc D


Now that is true. Berube is a smart hockey man. He knows that they are carrying a heavy load. But like you said, he doesn't have a lot of options.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 4 @ 5:15 PM ET
He deserves some credit for last year, but I feel like he gets too much. The turn around last year was mostly due to Giroux turning it around and backpacking the team. But that's my opinion.

He does have some positives like you've mentioned. I like his system and it ends there for me. His negatives heavily outweigh the positives.

His bias is enough to drive someone crazy. The comments about Cooter. I also can't stand the traditional line combo of:
Primary scoring line
Secondary scoring line
Checking line
"Energy" (possession black hole) line

They have the forward pieces to roll 4 lines. I even think they could put together a very nice top 6 that will leave the opposing team questioning which line to use their "shutdown" players on.

This is a middle of the road team. That may or may not make the playoffs, then may win a round maybe 2 if they're lucky depending on match ups. This isn't their year to win it, and Berube is coaching this team like its now or never.

- JFlyers00


If you look at his current line deployment, there is balance on every line. That's not to say that it's all going to work. But it all makes sense with the personnel that they have.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 4 @ 5:35 PM ET
He didn't equate point production or state that they will score more points. He stated that if they do the job right, that they're going to get plenty of offensive chances.
- MJL


And yet, after this amazing clarification, i still feel.exactly the way i did before you started typing
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 4 @ 5:36 PM ET
And yet, after this amazing clarification, i still feel.exactly the way i did before you started typing
- AllInForFlyers


The clarification wasn't given to make you feel differently. It was just to clarify exactly what was said.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 4 @ 5:39 PM ET
The clarification wasn't given to make you feel differently. It was just to clarify exactly what was said.
- MJL


Your interpretation and mine are different, and that's fine by me

I'm sure someone else will want to dance around semantics with you tonight, but I am absolutely not in the mood for it, so whatever
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 4 @ 5:42 PM ET
Your interpretation and mine are different, and that's fine by me

I'm sure someone else will want to dance around semantics with you tonight, but I am absolutely not in the mood for it, so whatever

- AllInForFlyers


I didn't offer an interpretation, so I don't know what you're talking about. Again, I re posted his exact words, that is all.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Nov 4 @ 5:46 PM ET
It just bums me out that in the 5 years in the league, Hall has played here only 1 time. Either a non-home-and-home year or injury all the others. Sigh. I enjoy the whipper-snapper.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 4 @ 5:47 PM ET
I didn't offer an interpretation, so I don't know what you're talking about. Again, I re posted his exact words, that is all.
- MJL


Ha! Good luck finding a dance partner tonight -- the rabbit hole is closed, MJL. Move on with your life -- 18 other pages of posts for you to go through
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Nov 4 @ 5:57 PM ET
Him getting canned can't come soon enough.
- JFlyers00

I'd prefer before 11/12, so I don't have to decide whether to bother going to the executive chit chat I get with my ST this year. If he's still coach, I'm afraid if I go my eyes will roll right out of my head.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 4 @ 6:00 PM ET
And yet, after this amazing clarification, i still feel.exactly the way i did before you started typing
- AllInForFlyers

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 4 @ 6:03 PM ET
thats honestly just a waste of simmonds because he will never get the puck within 10 yards of the opposing goalie.
- stayinthefnnet


Yup, at the very least switch Simmonds and Read
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Nov 4 @ 6:05 PM ET
Ha! Good luck finding a dance partner tonight -- the rabbit hole is closed, MJL. Move on with your life -- 18 other pages of posts for you to go through
- AllInForFlyers

Actually, since we're on this page there are 17 other pages to go through. You know, not to get into semantics and what not.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 4 @ 6:08 PM ET
Dear Craig,
If you aren't going to dress Akeson, at least try the following:
Raffl-G-Jake
Bellemare-VLC- Read
Schenn-Coots-Simmonds
Umberger-VDV-Rinaldo
Please??

ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 4 @ 6:11 PM ET
LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!

- ggunky


wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Nov 4 @ 6:12 PM ET
Dear Craig,
If you aren't going to dress Akeson, at least try the following:
Raffl-G-Jake
Bellemare-VLC- Read
Schenn-Coots-Simmonds
Umberger-VDV-Rinaldo
Please??

- BiggE


i like that.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 4 @ 6:14 PM ET
Dear Craig,
If you aren't going to dress Akeson, at least try the following:
Raffl-G-Jake
Bellemare-VLC- Read
Schenn-Coots-Simmonds
Umberger-VDV-Rinaldo
Please??

- BiggE


no
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