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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 7 @ 11:53 AM ET
One of my professors has said John Hopkins like 11 times today.

female dog, it says it right there on the book. how cAN YOU SAY IT WRONG WHEN IT'S SPELLED RIGHT THERE JOHNSSSSSSSS HOPKINS JOHNSSSSSS THE S IS RIGHT THERE FFS
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 7 @ 11:54 AM ET
Slightly off topic, but did anyone see what Tarasenko did to the Devils last night? It's absurd how this guy is just embarrassing people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUgiTmN1PfU

- johndewar

He's absolutely sick. He really is.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Nov 7 @ 11:56 AM ET
Yeah, a stat line of 1G, 2 A, 9PIM, -5 in 13 games isn't exactly setting the world on fire.
- jmatchett383


I agree that a direct Hartnell/Umberger comparison does not look good for the Flyers. However, I feel the team's overall improvement at even strength and the lessening of stupid penalties has made the Flyers a better all around team.

I am calling it a push at this point.
jeffherrm
Joined: 05.05.2007

Nov 7 @ 11:58 AM ET
I agree about being a target. But Schenn did flub a couple of pucks last night. That's going to happen occasionally.
- MJL


I am one of those people in the minority when it comes to Luke Schenn. I see value in the type of player that he is at +3m/year. He is a defenseman who constantly makes the other team pay the price when they enter the corners of the flyers defensive zone. He is a good shot blocker and penalty killer. He usually makes nice outlet passes and has a knack for keeping the puck in the offensive zone and getting his shot through.

He has obvious shortcomings: foot speed, overzealous stepping up in the neutral zone, etc. Somebody mentioned before, Luke Schenn's biggest problem is that we gave away JVR to get him. You can never reverse that, so why not look objectively at what he brings to your team. At his age, I would keep him over Grossmann if someone needs to be traded to sign Del Zotto next year.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 7 @ 12:00 PM ET
I agree that a direct Hartnell/Umberger comparison does not look good for the Flyers. However, I feel the team's overall improvement at even strength and the lessening of stupid penalties has made the Flyers a better all around team.

I am calling it a push at this point.

- mickel25

Even though I really hate the way umberger is playing, I do agree with you.
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Nov 7 @ 12:01 PM ET
Every time I see Vinny I want to punch him. And I'm sure he's a nice fellow. Just get off my ice.
- bodiva88


I always loved Vinny, and wanted to see him in orange and black.. just not at the end of his career..
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Nov 7 @ 12:10 PM ET
One of my professors has said John Hopkins like 11 times today.

female dog, it says it right there on the book. how cAN YOU SAY IT WRONG WHEN IT'S SPELLED RIGHT THERE JOHNSSSSSSSS HOPKINS JOHNSSSSSS THE S IS RIGHT THERE FFS

- Giroux_Is_God

on a similar note, I hate that FAFSA is always read as FASFA. It's only five letters, how does literally everybody (frank) this up?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 7 @ 12:11 PM ET
on a similar note, I hate that FAFSA is always read as FASFA. It's only five letters, how does literally everybody (frank) this up?
- BulliesPhan87

Agreed.

My jimmies are rustled.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Nov 7 @ 12:13 PM ET
Agreed.

My jimmies are rustled.

- Giroux_Is_God

Like, how are you going to tell people they need more education when you can't even f'ing read, Mr. Guidance Counselor?
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Nov 7 @ 12:14 PM ET
I agree that a direct Hartnell/Umberger comparison does not look good for the Flyers. However, I feel the team's overall improvement at even strength and the lessening of stupid penalties has made the Flyers a better all around team.

I am calling it a push at this point.

- mickel25


Hartnell fit in nicely on that top PP. He also brought an edge to his game, I know he took stupid penalties but he brings more than Umberger IMO.
Umberger has done nothing that stands out. I was glad too see his minutes cut last night. You want to see a guy do well but he has had a hard time and we probably could not even move him..though I would love too!
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 7 @ 12:15 PM ET
He's got 10pts, but only 1G, 21PIMs. CF% barely above 50% despite 60%+ O-ZS and the best teammates that team has to offer. Ugly -7, although it's probably mostly driven by poor SV% behind him.

I think his days as a top-6 winger are near over. Just a matter of time now.

- Tomahawk


I think that is what Hextall saw, and if it went all at once and you couldn't move him, you couldn't have those final two years of that contract on the books, with the way the roster is constructed

I agree with them moving it now
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 7 @ 12:16 PM ET
Like, how are you going to tell people they need more education when you can't even f'ing read, Mr. Guidance Counselor?
- BulliesPhan87

Or the person who was talking to us about vaccinations, and called it "Jillian Bare Syndrome". She's 55 and is a Doctor. Credibility = gone.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 7 @ 12:19 PM ET
I always loved Vinny, and wanted to see him in orange and black.. just not at the end of his career..
- WarriorHockey21


That is how i feel -- the hands are there, and the instincts are there. I just don't think he can get to spots against Top 4 defensemen anymore, especially at even strength
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 7 @ 12:28 PM ET
They just have a lot of money tied up in guys who aren't the ones carrying the team.

Amac 5M
VL 4.5M
Umberger 4.6M
Grossmann 3.5M
L Schenn 3.6M

Thats a total of $21M tied up in 5 players who are not contributing a ton to this team. All of them are signed through next year too.


Raffl-G-Jake
Schenn-Couts-Read
Akeson-PEB-Simmonds
Rinaldo-???-???

Coburn-MDZ
Streit-Schultz
???-???

With $21M to spend on upgrading the D and filling out the 4th line. Even if you throw Hartnell on to the team, they would still have $16.5M and 1 less forward spot to fill.

- PhillySportsGuy


yeesh.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 7 @ 12:29 PM ET
He's absolutely sick. He really is.
- Giroux_Is_God


darren pang's cackle is glorious. holy jumpin'.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 7 @ 12:31 PM ET
I dunno... it's so far out, hard to say.

I personally don't miss Hartsy at all... since it means a clear path to L1 for Raffl/Simmer/Schenn/etc.

- Tomahawk


i don't miss him either. it would be nice if umberger would perform like anything other than a complete plug - really disappointing.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 7 @ 12:34 PM ET
I always loved Vinny, and wanted to see him in orange and black.. just not at the end of his career..
- WarriorHockey21


see: coffee, hawerchuk, oates.................
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 7 @ 12:37 PM ET
I think that is what Hextall saw, and if it went all at once and you couldn't move him, you couldn't have those final two years of that contract on the books, with the way the roster is constructed

I agree with them moving it now

- AllInForFlyers


likewise, but the other elements umberger had to help make this a reasonable swap, contract length aside, seem to have evaporated. maybe he'll get it together, it's still very early in the year.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 7 @ 12:38 PM ET
One of my professors has said John Hopkins like 11 times today.

female dog, it says it right there on the book. how cAN YOU SAY IT WRONG WHEN IT'S SPELLED RIGHT THERE JOHNSSSSSSSS HOPKINS JOHNSSSSSS THE S IS RIGHT THERE FFS

- Giroux_Is_God


You need a drink

badly

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 7 @ 12:39 PM ET
Hartnell fit in nicely on that top PP. He also brought an edge to his game, I know he took stupid penalties but he brings more than Umberger IMO.
Umberger has done nothing that stands out. I was glad too see his minutes cut last night. You want to see a guy do well but he has had a hard time and we probably could not even move him..though I would love too!

- 3flyerkids


Not hard to do
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 7 @ 12:40 PM ET
You need a drink

badly


- BiggE

*want
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Nov 7 @ 12:41 PM ET
One of my professors has said John Hopkins like 11 times today.

female dog, it says it right there on the book. how cAN YOU SAY IT WRONG WHEN IT'S SPELLED RIGHT THERE JOHNSSSSSSSS HOPKINS JOHNSSSSSS THE S IS RIGHT THERE FFS

- Giroux_Is_God


in his defense, i hate that (frank)ing name. just like carl's junior. makes me insane.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 7 @ 12:44 PM ET
likewise, but the other elements umberger had to help make this a reasonable swap, contract length aside, seem to have evaporated. maybe he'll get it together, it's still very early in the year.
- hammarby31


I agree; if he can even help kill penalties, i'm fine with it.

If he doesn't pick it up, though, it won't matter for next year. They aren't gonna carry him and Vinny, i do not believe
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 7 @ 12:47 PM ET
One of my professors has said John Hopkins like 11 times today.

female dog, it says it right there on the book. how cAN YOU SAY IT WRONG WHEN IT'S SPELLED RIGHT THERE JOHNSSSSSSSS HOPKINS JOHNSSSSSS THE S IS RIGHT THERE FFS

- Giroux_Is_God


did you ask your professor to fight you in the parking lot after class?
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 7 @ 12:48 PM ET
in his defense, i hate that (frank)ing name. just like carl's junior. makes me insane.
- wilsonecho91


learned something new today.
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