Welp there goes the playoffs. Always next year!

Anyone blaming orton really doesn't understand football.. Several key drops, stupid turnovers, and awful play calling in the 4th.

Welp there goes the playoffs. Always next year!
- Cheeseballin

Leafs thread is over there ------------>

Welp there goes the playoffs. Always next year!
- Cheeseballin

Miami, pittsburgh lost..i think the browns will drop off. Kc has to play denver again..win next week and we will be right back in it

Anyone blaming orton really doesn't understand football.. Several key drops, stupid turnovers, and awful play calling in the 4th.
- Smittyx36

I don't think you understand what I was saying. Not once did I blame him for the loss. However, I sure as hell blamed him for the terrible decisions he made. We could've still won even with those mistakes, but that doesn't make them any less egregious.

I don't think you understand what I was saying. Not once did I blame him for the loss. However, I sure as hell blamed him for the terrible decisions he made.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

Don't terrible decisions result in a turnover? I watched him throw it away and not risk throwing a pic.

The only thing that pissed me off about him was how he went deep on all 4 attempts in the 2nd final drive. That was just terrible play calling and dumb

Don't terrible decisions result in a turnover? I watched him throw it away and not risk throwing a pic.

The only thing that pissed me off about him was how he went deep on all 4 attempts in the 2nd final drive. That was just terrible play calling and dumb
- Smittyx36

He may not have thrown one, but he was damn close on several occasions, when there were much better options. I have no problem with him throwing it away. Those were some of the few smart plays he made IMO, but when he misses wide open receivers with passes, doesn't see them at all, and throws it terribly to guys with 3 defenders covering them, that's just bad decision making and overall a bad job at throwing the football.

Dumb decision to go for it on 4th & 10.
Kick the F'G with 2-1/2 minutes to , all 3 timeouts left (before they burned 1) and the D playing lights out.
Dumb.
They deserve to lose with all the dumb plays, fumble at the 4, fumble a punt being tackled, go for td all 4 throws.

I'm not sure if this game or his Detroit game was his worst so far. Orton didn't play well. That being said, good teams finish plays, and very few players did on offense today.

I'm not sure if this game or his Detroit game was his worst so far. Orton didn't play well. That being said, good teams finish plays, and very few players did on offense today.
- buffalofan19

Bingo.

I'm a Browns fan , so take this lightly. I don't think the Bills are done in the playoff race yet. They played very well defensively, but couldn't get it done on offense. However, they were playing a red hot team with one of the league's best defenses. The game next week is make or break.

I'm a Browns fan , so take this lightly. I don't think the Bills are done in the playoff race yet. They played very well defensively, but couldn't get it done on offense. However, they were playing a red hot team with one of the league's best defenses. The game next week is make or break.
- benny948

Break.
Been there, done it too many times over past 45 years. Pegula got fleeced.

Dumb decision to go for it on 4th & 10.
Kick the F'G with 2-1/2 minutes to , all 3 timeouts left (before they burned 1) and the D playing lights out.
Dumb.
They deserve to lose with all the dumb plays, fumble at the 4, fumble a punt being tackled, go for td all 4 throws.
- IonSabres

Doug is a joke of a coach. We got lucky to win the bears and lions game. If we had a legitimate coach we could easily be 7-2.

This team is so talented. Best defense we have had in over a decade. Its a shame we have to deal with unproven coaches that wouldn't get a starting gig anywhere else in the NFL. This is two years in a row where are D coordinator would make a better HC.

Break.
Been there, done it too many times over past 45 years. Pegula got fleeced.
- IonSabres

How did he get fleeced? He will make his money back .

There is a reason he is a multi billionaire. He ain't dumb with money.

Break.
Been there, done it too many times over past 45 years. Pegula got fleeced.
- IonSabres

At least they will probably beat their usual 6-10.

At least they will probably beat their usual 6-10.
- benny948

8-8 is what I thought at the beginning of the year. They seem to be on pace for that

Idk that phantom false start was the turning point in a game we were in control of regardless of score/turnovers. That was the worst call I have seen all year and worst since the gb seattle terchdern call from the replacement refs last year. Talk about a momentum shift. What a joke.

But our coach is an obvious moron.

Idk that phantom false start was the turning point in a game we were in control of regardless of score/turnovers. That was the worst call I have seen all year and worst since the gb seattle terchdern call from the replacement refs last year. Talk about a momentum shift. What a joke.

But our coach is an obvious moron.
- DynamicThreads

It was a five yard penalty... I mean i get it sucks but that play didn't result in them getting a td. No that was after that moron fumbled the punt after we made them go 3 and out.

We win that game if we don't fumble the punt. Can't blame the refs on that.

I don't think you understand what I was saying. Not once did I blame him for the loss. However, I sure as hell blamed him for the terrible decisions he made. We could've still won even with those mistakes, but that doesn't make them any less egregious.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

Where was the big upgrade from Manuel today?

We need a real QB

It was a five yard penalty... I mean i get it sucks but that play didn't result in them getting a td. No that was after that moron fumbled the punt after we made them go 3 and out.

We win that game if we don't fumble the punt. Can't blame the refs on that.
- Smittyx36

Yeah, but that was a first down for us that turned into a punt. Definitely the starting point.

I'm not sure if this game or his Detroit game was his worst so far. Orton didn't play well. That being said, good teams finish plays, and very few players did on offense today.
- buffalofan19

He hasn't had a great game yet.

Against the Jets we had a stretch of 7 straight 3 and outs. Good QB's do better

Where was the big upgrade from Manuel today?

We need a real QB
- sbroads24

I thought Orton played ok, he missed some throws, but I like the use of Brown out of the backfield. Crappy Buffalo luck again, I'm almost becoming numb to it.

Yeah, but that was a first down for us that turned into a punt. Definitely the starting point.
- SoCalSabres

poop like that happens every week in the NFL. Its about how you handle those calls. I believe we made them go 3 and out and then got the punt which we fumbled. We were in great field position if we didn't fumble. That play didn't really change momentum...

He hasn't had a great game yet.

Against the Jets we had a stretch of 7 straight 3 and outs. Good QB's do better
- sbroads24

Good receivers make a quarterback look good.

poop like that happens every week in the NFL. Its about how you handle those calls. I believe we made them go 3 and out and then got the punt which we fumbled. We were in great field position if we didn't fumble. That play didn't really change momentum...
- Smittyx36

Actually, the back breaker was Browns fumble.