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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 9 @ 11:37 AM ET
Sam Carchidi suggests the Flyers could get a top 9 forward for Coburn.
- Jsaquella


stop reading his tripe on philly.com and/or block him/don't follow him on twitter.
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Nov 9 @ 11:40 AM ET
I get that but those two are on minor league deals. not real prospects per se. And I agree about the lack of goaltending depth. I was surprised they didn't draft one in the last draft and only 2 on the last 5.
- nastyflyergirl


Aside from future depth, What bothers me most is the guy who signed the minor league goalies is a former goalie.

If you are only going to support the affiliate with 2 D and 2 forwards and both the goalies, do a better job in the net. Even the Caps did a better job with the goalies which is really troubling.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 9 @ 11:45 AM ET
Sam Carchidi suggests the Flyers could get a top 9 forward for Coburn.
- Jsaquella


Sam Carchidi isn't qualified to cover mites on ice, let alone the NHL.

Between him, TP and Seravaccuum, all I can say is thank god for Bill!
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 9 @ 11:46 AM ET
Both the goalies are on assignment from the Flyers/Phantoms. Connor Knapp is not terrible like the other guy. Oulette is a sieve some nights.

There are a few guys on 2 way AHL-ECHL deals like Brett Flemming, Maxim LaMarche, Austin Fyten and some others. There are NO quality prospects in the ECHL. I can remember Ruslan Fedotenko and Todd Fedoruk both playing in the E one year in Trenton. I dont think there is anyone there that has an AHL future to be honest beyond the 2 way deal guys there now.

You have to understand many NHL goalies came through that team with prior affiliates.

Jonathan Quick, James Reimer and Ben Scrivens and a few guys that are with the Caps system. Not a bad group of graduates and it really underscores how much of nothing that the Flyers have in goalies beyond Stolarz. He is the ONLY prospect at that position edit---playing in any pro level

- Steelmanpa


not pro, but what about that madsen kid in college?

they gave up on sunshine, too, but he hasn't cracked the lineup in vancouver despite them dumping lu and the ginger.

i dunno, how many legit pro prospects can a team have at that position? juniors/college/europe have to be part of the process.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 9 @ 11:46 AM ET
The injuries suck and will now give a chance to another prospect to step up and make get a shot at the NHL roster sooner.

Outside of sitting Umberger what else can be done to jump start his game.

- ob18


Electroshock?
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 9 @ 11:53 AM ET
Why does everyone want to trade Coburn so badly?
- PhillySportsGuy


I think Coburn can skate and eat minutes but not much more. He's a solid player, but he can be maddeningly inconsistent. He has this beast mode where he's confident skating in all zones, physical and a little mean...usually, this is when he ends up having a decidedly positive impact on the game and you're like "yeah! f-n-a Coby, it's about time!" But alas, this is usually just a short lived glimpse...a tease, showing you just enough to be able to see you're missing later when he regresses back to being a placeholder who can eat minutes playing average and sometimes mediocre hockey.

I remember when Coburn got to Philly and his first full season he put up 36 points and seemed like a guy who was going to be a very good two way player for years to come. I'm sure many here recall how he used to unload a lethal one timer from the top of the circle on the PP. Somehow, instead of his offensive game further developing it has pretty much regressed. Is this due to coaching and the system? Perhaps being told to be defensive minded over and over, and not getting PP time? Or is it his own doing? Whatever it is/was, without that offensive element, his value is lower...ok, so you look to the defensive side of his game for his worth...he can eat minutes and play ok, but he's rarely an impact player. When he's fully engaged, in "Kobe Beast" (sorry) mode, he brings the kinds of things to the ice that have more impact and raise his value, but unfortunately we don't see that mode often enough to fully justify his salary imo.

I wouldn't be against trading Coby if someone wanted him bad enough and was willing to pay a good price. I think the play of the team without him is some evidence they can probably live without him longer term.

hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 9 @ 11:58 AM ET
the flyers have climbed into 3rd in the division. if they had won those 2 games in florida, they'd be 1 point back of pittsburgh.

still, it's refreshing to see them be competitive, for the most part, despite all the injuries to the defense, the decline of umberger, and uneven play of some of several of the forwards.

if they keep it up, i might be forced to road trip to phx and denver at the end of december.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 9 @ 12:05 PM ET
since it's on my mind, i'm just gonna' get this out of the way now...

today is nov. 9th. 29 years ago the flyers beat boston for their 10th straight win. the rest is history.

tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Nov 9 @ 12:16 PM ET
since it's on my mind, i'm just gonna' get this out of the way now...

today is nov. 9th. 29 years ago the flyers beat boston for their 10th straight win. the rest is history.


- hammarby31


Yeah...
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 9 @ 12:26 PM ET
I missed the game last night and i'm about to watch the condensed version. Saw the Mackinnon hit, thanks Bill. Roy is an idiot to flip out over that hit.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Nov 9 @ 12:28 PM ET
I missed the game last night and i'm about to watch the condensed version. Saw the Mackinnon hit, thanks Bill. Roy is an idiot to flip out over that hit.
- 2Real


he apparently was flipping out over the hit, but rather the call was made by the far linesman, not the closest one.

I don't know why though. What's the difference?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 9 @ 12:30 PM ET
Maybe so, but the end result is the same regardless of the logic.

Do you really want to look into the mind of Homer and hear those thoughts and discussions with the ownership and exec and scouting group, that is a nightmare I dont want to experience

- Steelmanpa

Makes you wonder at times why they get paid to do what they do
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 9 @ 12:31 PM ET
Sam Carchidi isn't qualified to cover mites on ice, let alone the NHL.

Between him, TP and Seravaccuum, all I can say is thank god for Bill!

- BiggE

Hey my son is going to mites on ice in March and I find it insulting you think carchidi could cover him!

Edit: Nvm...I misread what you wrote
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Nov 9 @ 12:34 PM ET
A nice long read on Foppa

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=737998
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 9 @ 12:40 PM ET
Just watched the condensed game. Schenn is really looking like he's waking up and settling into his role on the team. The Iginla fight was hard to watch though
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 9 @ 12:52 PM ET
since it's on my mind, i'm just gonna' get this out of the way now...

today is nov. 9th. 29 years ago the flyers beat boston for their 10th straight win. the rest is history.


- hammarby31


Aw geez
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 9 @ 12:57 PM ET
I think Coburn can skate and eat minutes but not much more. He's a solid player, but he can be maddeningly inconsistent. He has this beast mode where he's confident skating in all zones, physical and a little mean...usually, this is when he ends up having a decidedly positive impact on the game and you're like "yeah! f-n-a Coby, it's about time!" But alas, this is usually just a short lived glimpse...a tease, showing you just enough to be able to see you're missing later when he regresses back to being a placeholder who can eat minutes playing average and sometimes mediocre hockey.

I remember when Coburn got to Philly and his first full season he put up 36 points and seemed like a guy who was going to be a very good two way player for years to come. I'm sure many here recall how he used to unload a lethal one timer from the top of the circle on the PP. Somehow, instead of his offensive game further developing it has pretty much regressed. Is this due to coaching and the system? Perhaps being told to be defensive minded over and over, and not getting PP time? Or is it his own doing? Whatever it is/was, without that offensive element, his value is lower...ok, so you look to the defensive side of his game for his worth...he can eat minutes and play ok, but he's rarely an impact player. When he's fully engaged, in "Kobe Beast" (sorry) mode, he brings the kinds of things to the ice that have more impact and raise his value, but unfortunately we don't see that mode often enough to fully justify his salary imo.

I wouldn't be against trading Coby if someone wanted him bad enough and was willing to pay a good price. I think the play of the team without him is some evidence they can probably live without him longer term.

- exlund


They really miss him on the pk. That's where his good assets are most noticable
ManCity
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pike County, PA
Joined: 05.24.2014

Nov 9 @ 1:02 PM ET
Schenn has added a great element to the line with Coots and Read. Right now there are three lines that are humming. Now if VDV-LeCavalier-Umberger could do something.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 9 @ 1:12 PM ET
Schenn has added a great element to the line with Coots and Read. Right now there are three lines that are humming. Now if VDV-LeCavalier-Umberger could do something.
- ManCity

who would have thought giving coots quality players would help him
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 9 @ 1:14 PM ET
Schenn has added a great element to the line with Coots and Read. Right now there are three lines that are humming. Now if VDV-LeCavalier-Umberger could do something.
- ManCity


Step one: Replace Umberger
Step two: Insert Raffl
Step three: Replace Vinny
Step four: Insert Laughton

Outcome: Improvement & Cap Room
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 9 @ 1:15 PM ET
who would have thought giving coots quality players would help him
- 2Real


Shocking, ain't it?
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Nov 9 @ 1:16 PM ET
Schenn

Is out 2 weeks with injury
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 9 @ 1:18 PM ET
Step one: Replace Umberger
Step two: Insert Raffl
Step three: Replace Vinny
Step four: Insert Laughton

Outcome: Improvement & Cap Room

- BiggE

vinny's been playing great
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 9 @ 1:23 PM ET
hey look harbaugh finally letting kaepernick do what he does best... run the ball
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 9 @ 2:05 PM ET
vinny's been playing great
- 2Real


I always wonder how little of a life someone must have to get so into "trolling" the internet.

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