How long before Akeson is demoted again for not making RJ have a pulse and Vinny skate better?
- exlund

If that's the metric, he better start checking out real estate in Lehigh Valley

Then, after you quit, apologize profusely for ruining all stats and causing pages of endless circular debate on web forums.
- jmatchett383

Not sure why these people even bother looking for alternative ways to evaluate anything. Everyone we know now is everything that will ever be discovered.

The biggest issue I have with Berube can be summed up by our good friend, Buts16, former Hockeybuzz poster extrodinaire and twitter legend:

Berube usually comes to the right decision, he just has to get it wrong 3 or 4 times before he gets there.

Honestly, when I posted line combos in pre-season, one of my suggestions was Akeson & Vinny. I just had Raffl on the LW, instead of Umberger. I'd put Bellemare there now and move Umberger to the 4th line....and I don't think Akeson played well vs Colorado
- Jsaquella

Well, just give it a few more months

Deep
- Tomahawk

Slowly tearing apart multiple franchises

The Earth is actually a set of impossible stairs, not round. Columbus was wrong.
- jmatchett383

Just another reason why they're sucking hard this season. Take that, statheads.

Not sure why these people even bother looking for alternative ways to evaluate anything. Everyone we know now is everything that will ever be discovered.
- PhillySportsGuy

Well, when it comes to theoretical physics, I actually do believe this.

What do you all make of this Gonchar trade? Moen?
- coffee junkie

Sounds like a player for player trade involving two teams.

Sounds like a player for player trade involving two teams.
- BulliesPhan87

Shut up, you're wrong, fight me!

Sounds like a player for player trade involving two teams.
- BulliesPhan87

Gives me hope that corpses can be traded... even if it's only for each other.

Gives me hope that corpses can be traded... even if it's only for each other.
- Tomahawk

Umberger to Columbus for Rutherford B. Hayes!

Only if people believe these ideas and hypotheses as fact without the appropriate amount of factual evidence, reasoning and logic. Yost threw out a stat that had never been used before his article. It could only cause regression if people believed it unquestioningly and didn't critique it. I don't see that happening. In fact, the more likely outcome will be having it refined to be better or scraped in favor of a better substitute that comes about from the flaws in the current one.
- NickTheKid87

That never happens with analytics does it?

Fans don't look at analytics like Corsi and treat it like a fact, do they? Or believe it unquestionably, and ignore the flaws such as false data. And sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist, under the guise of "it's the best we have currently". If you don't see that happening then what's already happened is being ignored.
Yost threw out a stat that has never been used before, and ignored half the story. I wonder why?

Gives me hope that corpses can be traded... even if it's only for each other.
- Tomahawk

It's the kind of deal the Flyers can't do just yet; the Stars pawned off the bigger cap hit/more dollars, took on fewer dollars but more term

Let's just say that for the deals the Flyers would likely prefer to move, those players have dollars AND term

Which is no way to go through life

Well, when it comes to theoretical physics, I actually do believe this.
- jmatchett383

All knowledge is already known!

That never happens with analytics does it?

Fans don't look at analytics like Corsi and treat it like a fact, do they? Or believe it unquestionably, and ignore the flaws such as false data. And sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist, under the guise of "it's the best we have currently". If you don't see that happening then what's already happened is being ignored.
Yost threw out a stat that has never been used before, and ignored half the story. I wonder why?
- MJL

I think this is a cynical view of analytics possibly bred from a bias towards extremist "stat heads". You have to remember that there are a lot of analysts who use the stats as tools, not gospel and they are the ones to be heeded.

The best way to view it would be like the Big Bang Theory. It's the best explanation out there for how the universe began but it's only a theory. It fits with evidence we have and mathematical principles but it can't be known for sure.

Sounds like a player for player trade involving two teams.
- BulliesPhan87

I guess that helmet is protecting that extraordinarily soft skull of yours, eh?

I guess that helmet is protecting that extraordinarily soft skull of yours, eh?
- coffee junkie

My skull is of adequate hardness, tyvm

I think this is a cynical view of analytics possibly bred from a bias towards extremist "stat heads". You have to remember that there are a lot of analyst who use the stats as tools, not gospel and they are the ones to be heeded.

The best way to view it would be like the Big Bang Theory. It's the best explanation out there for how the universe began but it's only a theory. It fits with evidence we have and mathematical principles but it can't be known for sure.
- NickTheKid87

They use poor tools, that's the problem. They know it's badly flawed, but they use it any way because it's the best we have. There is no bias involved.

Do you know when shot quality should be used to measure a goalie statistically? When they have an accurate and definitive way to measure shot quality. And not before. Yost sweeps that under the rug, or just ignores that completely, in his article. As if the problem doesn't exist. In the same way that they ignore false data when using Corsi to look at individual players.

anyone here know what the original Spezza trade was rumored to be with Nashville before it was nixed and he went to Dallas?

was it Spezza for Hornq and Spaling?

They use poor tools, that's the problem. They know it's badly flawed, but they use it any way because it's the best we have. There is no bias involved.

Do you know when shot quality should be used to measure a goalie statistically? When they have an accurate and definitive way to measure shot quality. And not before. Yost sweeps that under the rug, or just ignores that completely, in his article. As if the problem doesn't exist. In the same way that they ignore false data when using Corsi to look at individual players.
- MJL

I agree with what you're saying but you're assuming that people think they should accept this because Yost wrote about it which is not true. If people accept it, that's on them, but one of the points of science to be skeptical and to critique in order to improve.

anyone here know what the original Spezza trade was rumored to be with Nashville before it was nixed and he went to Dallas?

was it Spezza for Hornq and Spaling?
- MrBigglesworth

That's what I heard.

They use poor tools, that's the problem. They know it's badly flawed, but they use it any way because it's the best we have. There is no bias involved.

Do you know when shot quality should be used to measure a goalie statistically? When they have an accurate and definitive way to measure shot quality. And not before. Yost sweeps that under the rug, or just ignores that completely, in his article. As if the problem doesn't exist. In the same way that they ignore false data when using Corsi to look at individual players.
- MJL

Please define false data

Please define false data
- PhillySportsGuy

data that is false

I agree with what you're saying but you're assuming that people think they should accept this because Yost wrote about it which is not true. If people accept it, that's on them, but one of the points of science to be skeptical and to critique in order to improve.
- NickTheKid87

I'm not assuming. Past evidence of how other flawed stats such as Corsi, were accepted as gospel, suggests that this couldl be the same. Not for all, but with enough for it to be an issue.