game 7, calgary wins the series on flyers ice with pat (frank)ing riggin in goal at the other end.
- hammarby31

You had to remind me, you just had to...

game 7, calgary wins the series on flyers ice with pat (frank)ing riggin in goal at the other end.
- hammarby31

I couldn't find a picture of him with the Wally stick in Flames gear

"its an unwritten rule that the woman gets on top, and its a beautiful thing"

_Bernie

I would expect that type of ebb and flow depending on the GM and current farm system make up. It looks like the Flyers have been more successful at it than most teams, at least in terms of forwards. Defense is a different story, I'm sure. Bobrovsky was a free agent signing in goal though.
- NickTheKid87

he was, and a total coup, which they of course ruined 5 minutes later. don't get me wrong, i'm happy with mason, but i would have preferred to keep bob, maybe for no other reason than he was homegrown so to speak, and clearly had more talent and potential than any flyers goalie in recent or distant memory.

I couldn't find a picture of him with the Wally stick in Flames gear
- Jsaquella

ugh. i want to punch his face.

I only did forwards.
- NickTheKid87

Defense

ANA: Lovejoy
ARI: Michalek, Schlemko
BOS: Krug, Miller
BUF: Gorges, Benoit
CGY: Giordano, Diaz,
CAR: none
CHI: TvR
COL: Holden, Wilson
CBJ: St. Denis
DAL: Dillon, Benn
DET: DeKeyser, Lashoff
EDM: Hunt
FLA: none
LA: none
MIN: Prosser, Folin
MTL: Weaver
NAS: Bartley
NJ: Greene
NYI: none
NYR: Kostka, Boyle, Girardi, Allen
OTT: none
PHI: Manning
PIT: none
STL: none
SJ: Irwin
TB: Garrison, Sustr
TOR: none
VAN: Stanton, Tanev
WAS: Hillen, Schmidt
WPG: None

The list included several guys who were drafted-Umberger, Froese, Busniuk and in Kerr's case, he fell undrafted because his draft year was the season the draft class was swelled-when they lowered the age to 18-meaning the draft class doubled in size and quality.
- Jsaquella

poulin was undrafted as well.

Goal

ANA: none
ARI: none
BOS: Svedberg
BUF: none
CGY: none
CAR: none
CHI: Raanta
COL: none
CBJ: Bobrovsky
DAL: none
DET: Gustavsson
EDM: Scrivens, Fasth
FLA: none
LA: Jones
MIN: Backstrom
MTL: none
NSH: Hutton
NJ: Kinkaid
NYI: Johnson
NYR: Talbot
OTT: none
PHI: none
PIT: none
STL: none
SJ: Niemi
TB: none
TOR: none
VAN: Lack
WSH: none
WPG: none

You had to remind me, you just had to...

- BiggE

sorry. i didn't know that series and/or riggin was/were sore spots with you. never again!

Defense

ANA: Lovejoy
ARI: Michalek, Schlemko
BOS: Krug, Miller
BUF: Gorges, Benoit
CGY: Giordano, Diaz,
CAR: none
CHI: TvR
COL: Holden, Wilson
CBJ: St. Denis
DAL: Dillon, Benn
DET: DeKeyser, Lashoff
EDM: Hunt
FLA: none
LA: none
MIN: Prosser, Folin
MTL: Weaver
NAS: Bartley
NJ: Greene
NYI: none
NYR: Kostka, Boyle, Girardi, Allen
OTT: none
PHI: Manning
PIT: none
STL: none
SJ: Irwin
TB: Garrison, Sustr
TOR: none
VAN: Stanton, Tanev
WAS: Hillen, Schmidt
WPG: None
- Tomahawk

Giordano was quite the find. He's a stud.

Oh.

Carry on
- Streit2ThePoint

Here's D and goalies:

ANA: None
ARI: Schlemko
BOS: Miller, Krug, Svedberg
BUF: None
CGY: Girodano
CAR: None
CHI: van Riemsdyk, Raanta
COL: Ryan Wilson
CBJ: None
DAL: Dillon, Benn
DET: Lashoff, DeKeyser
EDM: Hunt
FLA: None
LAK: Martin Jones
MIN: Prosser, Folin, Backstrom
MTL: None
NSH: Bartley
NJD: Greene, Kinkaid
NYI: None
NYR: Girardi, Allen, Talbot
OTT: None
PHI: Manning
PIT: None
SJS: Irwin
STL: None
TBL: Sustr
TOR: None
VAN: Tanev, Lack
WSH: Schmidt
WPG: None

Edit: Leight

Giordano was quite the find. He's a stud.
- PLindbergh31

Not surprisingly, seems like there are more top dmen and goalies that fall through the cracks. Chances of getting a legit top-six forward via undrafted UFA is pretty close to nil.

Man... not sure I can ever look at Bernie the same after listening to that, lol.
- Tomahawk

"Don't say wussy this early in the morning. You'll get me too excited"

Not surprisingly, seems like there are more top dmen and goalies that fall through the cracks. Chances of getting a legit top-six forward via undrafted UFA is pretty close to nil.
- Tomahawk

I think we might have two in Raffl and Bellemare. They're definitely top 9 material.

Not surprisingly, seems like there are more top dmen and goalies that fall through the cracks. Chances of getting a legit top-six forward via undrafted UFA is pretty close to nil.
- Tomahawk

see: poulin, david

also see: years ago, about a million

poulin was undrafted as well.
- hammarby31

Yes, so were Sinisalo and Kindrachuk. Not saying the Flyers were not very active in past years in signing undrafted UFAs. However, under Holmgren, after the Pronger trade and subsequent deals to fill the void, they were very aggressive in not just signing undrafted UFAs that made the NHL, but to stock the AHL team, and to a lesser extent, the ECHL team.

sorry. i didn't know that series and/or riggin was/were sore spots with you. never again!
- hammarby31

He's old enough that even mentioning Gerry Meehan and the Sun shining through the Spectrum's windows will send him into a rage.

the entire division is in action tonight, except the flyers. let's hope we get some favors.

Not surprisingly, seems like there are more top dmen and goalies that fall through the cracks. Chances of getting a legit top-six forward via undrafted UFA is pretty close to nil.
- Tomahawk

It appears to be easier to get an NHL-caliber forward as undrafted UFAs than dmen or goalies but easier to find a really good dman or goalie than forward. I think that mostly has to do with D and goalies developing later than forwards, plus teams may take more chances on forwards during the draft.

Yes, so were Sinisalo and Kindrachuk. Not saying the Flyers were not very active in past years in signing undrafted UFAs. However, under Holmgren, after the Pronger trade and subsequent deals to fill the void, they were very aggressive in not just signing undrafted UFAs that made the NHL, but to stock the AHL team, and to a lesser extent, the ECHL team.
- Jsaquella

i know, and i know. i was just throwing a prominent name into the mix.

there's no question things changed, and all the jokes about 2nd round picks burning holes in holmger's pocket.

He's old enough that even mentioning Gerry Meehan and the Sun shining through the Spectrum's windows will send him into a rage.
- Jsaquella

my kind of guy.

The Flyers have the most undrafted forwards of all NHL teams with 4. Most of these players are bottom 6/4th line forwards.

ANA: None
ARI: Klinkhammer, Hodgman
BOS: Robins, Fraser
BUF: Flynn
CGY: Jooris, Glencross, Bollig
CAR: Patrick Brown
CHI: Mashinter
COL: Ryan Wilson, McLeod, Everberg
CBJ: Letestu, Gibbons
DAL: Garbutt, Roussel, Peverley, Fiddler
DET: Glendening
EDM: Arcobello, Acton, Purcell
FLA: None
LAK: None
MIN: Fontaine, Carter
MTL: Sekac, Desharnais, Bourque
NSH: None
NJD: Gionta, Sislo, Brunner
NYI: Conacher
NYR: Zuccarello, Mueller, St. Louis
OTT: None
PHI: Akeson, Bellemare, Raffl, Read
PIT: Sill, Dupuis, Kunitz
SJS: Desjardins, Goodrow, Hayes, Scott
STL: Steen, Porter
TBL: Johnson, JT Brown, Marchessault
TOR: Bozak, Clarkson, Smith
VAN: DeFazio, Burrows
WSH: O'Brien, Beagle, Ward
WPG: None
- NickTheKid87

You missed some, including some of the better ones.

You missed some, including some of the better ones.
- Tomahawk

I only counted players that were signed as undrafted free agents and are still on their respective teams. To judge how will teams have done signing undrafted players, we'd probably need to do all the undrafted UFAs by the team they were signed by (i.e. St. Louis = CGY)

It appears to be easier to get an NHL-caliber forward as undrafted UFAs than dmen or goalies but easier to find a really good dman or goalie than forward. I think that mostly has to do with D and goalies developing later than forwards, plus teams may take more chances on forwards during the draft.
- NickTheKid87

Yeah, pretty much.

Good forwards are pretty much picked clean by round 3 of the draft.

I only counted players that were signed as undrafted free agents and are still on their respective teams. To judge how will teams have done signing undrafted players, we'd probably need to do all the undrafted UFAs by the team they were signed by (i.e. St Louis = CGY)
- NickTheKid87

Ah, my bad... makes mores sense.