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NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Nov 11 @ 11:44 AM ET
Ah, my bad... makes mores sense.
- Tomahawk


I would make this list but I don't know if I have the patience or if it would be relevant to the discussion by the time I finished.
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

Nov 11 @ 11:45 AM ET
I've mentioned him in several blogs, actually, and did a blog about him this summer.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=61449

- bmeltzer

thanks. i meant i don't see his name as much as the top prospects so i guess he isn't considered in that group
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 11 @ 11:45 AM ET
I would make this list but I don't know if I have the patience or if it would be relevant to the discussion by the time I finished.
- NickTheKid87


Haha yeah. I have a handy player DB that makes pulling up that kind of info easy... otherwise, (frank) me, I'm not going through NHL.com team by team.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 11 @ 11:46 AM ET
Giordano was quite the find. He's a stud.
- PLindbergh31


Same with Girardi
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 11 @ 11:48 AM ET
You missed some, including some of the better ones.
- Tomahawk


Can you consolidate all lists and players to the teams that signed them? Ty.

I'm actually serious, but I understand if you don't have the time.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Nov 11 @ 11:51 AM ET
Can you consolidate all lists and players to the teams that signed them? Ty.

I'm actually serious, but I understand if you don't have the time.

- PhillySportsGuy


I got some time at work so I'm actually going to take a stab at it. If I'm back in 10 minutes, I gave up.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 11 @ 11:57 AM ET
I got some time at work so I'm actually going to take a stab at it. If I'm back in 10 minutes, I gave up.
- NickTheKid87


Good luck. We're all counting on you
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 11 @ 12:13 PM ET
Good luck. We're all counting on you
- PhillySportsGuy


NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Nov 11 @ 12:17 PM ET
All undrafted free agents that have played at least 1 game in the NHL this season. I'm probably missing a few and if so let me know and I'll add them. I used my lists, Tomahawk's and Wikipedia.

ANA: Fasth, Glencross, R. Carter, Kunitz
ARI: Klinkhammer, Hodgman, Schlemko
BOS: Robins, Miller, Krug, Svedberg
BUF: Flynn, Kostka
CGY: Girodano, Jooris, St. Louis
CAR: Patrick Brown
CHI: van Riemsdyk, Raanta, Stanton, Niemi, Bollig, R. Bourque
COL: McLeod, Everberg, Ryan Wilson
CBJ: Holden, Marchessault
DAL: Garbutt, Roussel, Dillon, Benn, M. Fraser
DET: Glendening, Lashoff, DeKeyser, Brunner
EDM: Arcobello, Acton, Hunt
FLA: D. Boyle, Garrison
LAK: Martin Jones, Purcell
MIN: Fontaine, Prosser, Folin, Backstrom, Z. Michalek, Dupuis, Scott, J. Ward
MTL: Sekac, Desharnais, Benoit, Diaz, St-Denis
NSH: Bartley, Peverley, Fiddler
NJD: Gionta, Sislo, Greene, Kinkaid, Clarkson
NYI: Hillen
NYR: Zuccarello, Girardi, Allen, Talbot
OTT: None
PHI: Akeson, Bellemare, Raffl, Read, Manning, Bobrovsky, Hutton
PIT: Sill, Lovejoy, Letestu, Gibbons
SJS: Desjardins, Goodrow, Hayes, Irwin, Gorges, Mashinter
STL: None
TBL: Johnson, JT Brown, Sustr, Conacher
TOR: Bozak, Gustavsson, Scrivens
VAN: DeFazio, Burrows, Tanev, Lack
WSH: O'Brien, Beagle, Schmidt
WPG: Weaver
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Nov 11 @ 12:26 PM ET
I think we might have two in Raffl and Bellemare. They're definitely top 9 material.
- Feanor



As much as I really liked what Raffl was doing on the Ginger line....I'd love to see him with Pebbles just to see if we could tap into that "European players" who think the game the same way. It would be awesome if have a ton of chemistry and we end up with 3 very strong scoring lines.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 11 @ 12:29 PM ET
All undrafted free agents that have played at least 1 game in the NHL this season. I'm probably missing a few and if so let me know and I'll add them. I used my lists, Tomahawk's and Wikipedia.

ANA: Fasth, Glencross, R. Carter, Kunitz
ARI: Klinkhammer, Hodgman, Schlemko
BOS: Robins, Miller, Krug, Svedberg
BUF: Flynn, Kostka
CGY: Girodano, Jooris, St. Louis
CAR: Patrick Brown
CHI: van Riemsdyk, Raanta, Stanton, Niemi, Bollig, R. Bourque
COL: McLeod, Everberg, Ryan Wilson
CBJ: Holden, Marchessault
DAL: Garbutt, Roussel, Dillon, Benn, M. Fraser
DET: Glendening, Lashoff, DeKeyser, Brunner
EDM: Arcobello, Acton, Hunt
FLA: D. Boyle, Garrison
LAK: Martin Jones, Purcell
MIN: Fontaine, Prosser, Folin, Backstrom, Z. Michalek, Dupuis, Scott, J. Ward
MTL: Sekac, Desharnais, Benoit, Diaz, St-Denis
NSH: Bartley, Peverley, Fiddler
NJD: Gionta, Sislo, Greene, Kinkaid, Clarkson
NYI: Hillen
NYR: Zuccarello, Girardi, Allen, Talbot
OTT: None
PHI: Akeson, Bellemare, Raffl, Read, Manning, Bobrovsky, Hutton
PIT: Sill, Lovejoy, Letestu, Gibbons
SJS: Desjardins, Goodrow, Hayes, Irwin, Gorges, Mashinter
STL: None
TBL: Johnson, JT Brown, Sustr, Conacher
TOR: Bozak, Gustavsson, Scrivens
VAN: DeFazio, Burrows, Tanev, Lack
WSH: O'Brien, Beagle, Schmidt
WPG: Weaver

- NickTheKid87


Ty. Interesting. Flyers have done well recently. Lots of talent out there on the undrafted FA market.

Flyers list would look a lot better if they still had Bob
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 11 @ 12:31 PM ET
All undrafted free agents that have played at least 1 game in the NHL this season. I'm probably missing a few and if so let me know and I'll add them. I used my lists, Tomahawk's and Wikipedia.

ANA: Fasth, Glencross, R. Carter, Kunitz
ARI: Klinkhammer, Hodgman, Schlemko
BOS: Robins, Miller, Krug, Svedberg
BUF: Flynn, Kostka
CGY: Girodano, Jooris, St. Louis
CAR: Patrick Brown
CHI: van Riemsdyk, Raanta, Stanton, Niemi, Bollig, R. Bourque
COL: McLeod, Everberg, Ryan Wilson
CBJ: Holden, Marchessault
DAL: Garbutt, Roussel, Dillon, Benn, M. Fraser
DET: Glendening, Lashoff, DeKeyser, Brunner
EDM: Arcobello, Acton, Hunt
FLA: D. Boyle, Garrison
LAK: Martin Jones, Purcell
MIN: Fontaine, Prosser, Folin, Backstrom, Z. Michalek, Dupuis, Scott, J. Ward
MTL: Sekac, Desharnais, Benoit, Diaz, St-Denis
NSH: Bartley, Peverley, Fiddler
NJD: Gionta, Sislo, Greene, Kinkaid, Clarkson
NYI: Hillen
NYR: Zuccarello, Girardi, Allen, Talbot
OTT: None
PHI: Akeson, Bellemare, Raffl, Read, Manning, Bobrovsky, Hutton
PIT: Sill, Lovejoy, Letestu, Gibbons
SJS: Desjardins, Goodrow, Hayes, Irwin, Gorges, Mashinter
STL: None
TBL: Johnson, JT Brown, Sustr, Conacher
TOR: Bozak, Gustavsson, Scrivens
VAN: DeFazio, Burrows, Tanev, Lack
WSH: O'Brien, Beagle, Schmidt
WPG: Weaver

- NickTheKid87


You, sir, are a scholar and a gentleman.

johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 11 @ 12:32 PM ET
Ty. Interesting. Flyers have done well recently. Lots of talent out there on the undrafted FA market.

Flyers list would look a lot better if they still had Bob

- PhillySportsGuy


Crazy to see how many decent to very good players simply fall through the cracks.

That sort of market inefficiency is certainly something worth exploring as an organization.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Nov 11 @ 12:32 PM ET
thanks. i meant i don't see his name as much as the top prospects so i guess he isn't considered in that group
- hogweed


Think of it this way: If he hits his ceiling, he can be a useful role playing forward at the pro level. Not going to be a scorer at the top level.

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 11 @ 12:32 PM ET
All undrafted free agents that have played at least 1 game in the NHL this season. I'm probably missing a few and if so let me know and I'll add them. I used my lists, Tomahawk's and Wikipedia.

ANA: Fasth, Glencross, R. Carter, Kunitz
ARI: Hodgman, Schlemko
BOS: Miller, Krug, Svedberg
BUF: Flynn, Kostka
CGY: Girodano, Jooris, St. Louis, Ryan Wilson
CAR: Patrick Brown
CHI: van Riemsdyk, Raanta, Stanton, Niemi, Bollig, R. Bourque, Klinkhammer
COL: McLeod, Everberg,
CBJ: Holden, Marchessault
DAL: Garbutt, Roussel, Dillon, Benn, M. Fraser
DET: Glendening, Lashoff, DeKeyser, Brunner
EDM: Arcobello, Acton, Hunt
FLA: D. Boyle, Garrison
LAK: Martin Jones, Purcell
MIN: Fontaine, Prosser, Folin, Backstrom, Z. Michalek, Dupuis, Scott, J. Ward
MTL: Sekac, Desharnais, Benoit, Diaz, St-Denis
NSH: Bartley, Peverley, Fiddler, C. Mueller
NJD: Gionta, Sislo, Greene, Kinkaid, Clarkson
NYI: Hillen, T. Smith
NYR: Zuccarello, Girardi, Allen, Talbot
OTT: Robins
PHI: Akeson, Bellemare, Raffl, Read, Manning, Bobrovsky, Hutton
PIT: Sill, Lovejoy, Letestu, Gibbons
SJS: Desjardins, Goodrow, Hayes, Irwin, Gorges, Mashinter
STL: None
TBL: Johnson, JT Brown, Sustr, Conacher
TOR: Bozak, Gustavsson, Scrivens
VAN: DeFazio, Burrows, Tanev, Lack
WSH: O'Brien, Beagle, Schmidt
WPG: Weaver

- NickTheKid87


Nice job.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 11 @ 12:32 PM ET
He's old enough that even mentioning Gerry Meehan and the Sun shining through the Spectrum's windows will send him into a rage.
- Jsaquella


Pretty much

And don't even get me started on Steve Durbano, the Plager bros or Leon Mr frankin magoo Stickle!!
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Nov 11 @ 12:40 PM ET
Nice job.
- Tomahawk


Thanks for the revisions.

There isn't too much a difference in quality of players among the teams with 2 or more undrafted FAs in the league. Of course, some have gone on to other teams either later on in their careers or early on. Some of these players never played a game with the team that signed them and others only a handful.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 11 @ 12:46 PM ET
Thanks for the revisions.

There isn't too much a difference in quality of players among the teams with 2 or more undrafted FAs in the league. Of course, some have gone on to other teams either later on in their careers or early on. Some of these players never played a game with the team that signed them and others only a handful.

- NickTheKid87


Sorry for throwing some dud names out there in my original lists, lol. Steen undrafted... can't believe I didn't catch that one.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 11 @ 12:47 PM ET
If you ever wondered what that adjusted SV% was on WOI:

http://www.tsn.ca/yost-a-...ding-performance-1.132438
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Nov 11 @ 12:58 PM ET
If you ever wondered what that adjusted SV% was on WOI:

http://www.tsn.ca/yost-a-...ding-performance-1.132438

- Tomahawk


So Mason is actually performing worse than we thought?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 11 @ 12:58 PM ET
So Mason is actually performing worse than we thought?
- NickTheKid87


Yep. He's not even adequate
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 11 @ 1:04 PM ET
Yep. He's not even adequate
- Jsaquella

I imagine a larger sample size may help
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 11 @ 1:04 PM ET
If you ever wondered what that adjusted SV% was on WOI:

http://www.tsn.ca/yost-a-...ding-performance-1.132438

- Tomahawk



Far too much ambiguity there for it to be a reliable stat.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Nov 11 @ 1:05 PM ET
So Mason is actually performing worse than we thought?
- NickTheKid87

That is probably the most ridiculous way to evaluate a goaltender as any other fancy stat I have seen.

Fact of the matter is... Mason has put up Lundqvist numbers since his time in Philly and hes playing behind a defense that forces him to make 10 bell saves on a regular basis. No Flyers goaltender has been able to succeed (at a high level) other than him since Prongers absence.

Including Mr. BOB Vezina himself.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Nov 11 @ 1:06 PM ET
That is probably the most ridiculous way to evaluate a goaltender as any other fancy stat I have seen.

Fact of the matter is... Mason has put up Lundqvist numbers since his time in Philly and hes playing behind a defense that forces him to make 10 bell saves on a regular basis. No Flyers goaltender has been able to succeed (at a high level) other than him since Prongers absence.

- GOA88

Mason is a brick house
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