Is that over the same amount of games played?

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- MBFlyerfan

Not really appropriate to compare points of the two players. Difference in games played, usage. Style of play of the teams. LA is not a high scoring regular season team. Whole host of factors that come into play.

In how many games played by each player? When Richards scored against Philly, that was his first of the season.

I need the whole story. For example I believe Ovechkin to be the better pure goal scorer then Stamkos when Ovechkin cares enough to show up. It wasn't long ago you pointed out that during the half season that Stamkos had 29 goals to Ovechkin's 32 in a lot less shots in the same ammount of games. The only thing that matters is results and the drive to get those shots. For all I know Stamkos could have much more shooting attempts while being shutdown by the opposing team.

In this case, Lecavalier hasn't been a healthy player.
- SuperSchennBros

Injury and health is another factor.

Not trying to be a Debbie downer on him cause I do think he's a heckuva hockey player and crucial part of the team, but I've been hearing that about him for a while now. At what point do we finally resign ourselves to the fact that He's a third line shutdown guy?
- JoeRussomanno

There is nothing in the history of Earth's celestial rotation that has shown me Sean Couturier will put up more than 35 points in a season. Nothing.

There is nothing in the history of Earth's celestial rotation that has shown me Sean Couturier will put up more than 35 points in a season. Nothing.
- Giroux_Is_God

Uh, he had 39 last year

There is nothing in the history of Earth's celestial rotation that has shown me Sean Couturier will put up more than 35 points in a season. Nothing.
- Giroux_Is_God

Nothing, nothing at all.

Uh, he had 39 last year
- BiggE

Uh, he's being sarcastic.

Nothing, nothing at all.

- MJL

There is nothing in the history of Earth's celestial rotation that has shown me Sean Couturier will put up more than 35 points in a season. Nothing.
- Giroux_Is_God

Kid has the ability to female dog slap my opinion that he's a more defensively skilled version of Handzus in his prime.

We shall see.

Kid has the ability to female dog slap my opinion that he's a more defensively skilled version of Handzus in his prime.

We shall see.
- flyer_nutter

Michael Handzus in his prime was a 20 goal scorer, and a 50+ point scorer. That's second line center numbers. Along with elite defensive play, I'll take it.

In how many games played by each player? When Richards scored against Philly, that was his first of the season.

I need the whole story. For example I believe Ovechkin to be the better pure goal scorer then Stamkos when Ovechkin cares enough to show up. It wasn't long ago you pointed out that during the half season that Stamkos had 29 goals to Ovechkin's 32 in a lot less shots in the same amount of games. The only thing that matters is results and the drive to get those shots. For all I know Stamkos could have much more shooting attempts while being shutdown by the opposing team.

In this case, Lecavalier hasn't been a healthy player.
- SuperSchennBros

True, Lecavalier hasn't been healthy. However, your assertion that Richards "can't score to save his life" has been disproven, which was the point I was making.

True, Lecavalier hasn't been healthy. However, your assertion that Richards "can't score to save his life" has been disproven, which was the point I was making.
- Jsaquella

I don't think he was being literal with that comment.

Is that over the same amount of games played?

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- MBFlyerfan

Nope. But to say Richards "can't score to save his life" is nonsensical.

The role Richards has been used in over that time has also been a far more "defensive" role than Lecavalier, which bridges the gap in the points comparison aspect.

That said, I'm trying to show that Richards, while not producing at the levels he did as a Flyers is still capable of putting up points and isn't at Umbergerian levels

Maybe Im just crazy, but I don't give a declining/aging player a pass on his play because he was/is injured.

If he gets his hand caught in a snowblower its different.

True, Lecavalier hasn't been healthy. However, your assertion that Richards "can't score to save his life" has been disproven, which was the point I was making.
- Jsaquella

Seriously?

Nope. But to say Richards "can't score to save his life" is nonsensical.

The role Richards has been used in over that time has also been a far more "defensive" role than Lecavalier, which bridges the gap in the points comparison aspect.

That said, I'm trying to show that Richards, while not producing at the levels he did as a Flyers is still capable of putting up points and isn't at Umbergerian levels
- Jsaquella

I think S2S is capable of looking at stats, so when he says Richards can't score to save his life, it's just an expression of speech. And he's not literally saying that he can't score. So there is nothing nonsensical about that.

Its like saying the old geezer down the street isn't that good at picking up chicks anymore.

We shouldn't blame him, but damnit he's going to be my wingman every damn night.

This made sense in my head.

Maybe Im just crazy, but I don't give a declining/aging player a pass on his play because he was/is injured.

If he gets his hand caught in a snowblower its different.
- flyer_nutter

You're crazy. Being young is absolutely a valuable asset.

Maybe Im just crazy, but I don't give a declining/aging player a pass on his play because he was/is injured.

If he gets his hand caught in a snowblower its different.
- flyer_nutter

So a player should be blamed for being injured?

Seriously?
- SuperSchennBros

Yes. To put it another way, over the past two seasons, plus the start of this season, Vinny Lecavalier is scoring at a rate of 0.64 PPG. Mike Richards is 0.55.

Richards plays a far more defense first role, yet only averages 0.11 PPG less than Vinny.

Said players in question should be played in accordance to their level of play.

Not absolved from sin because of injury.

If a guy is constantly dealing with an injury or coming off of one. Well (frank), maybe he's just not worth it. Were not running a kum bah yah camp here.

Its like saying the old geezer down the street isn't that good at picking up chicks anymore.

We shouldn't blame him, but damnit he's going to be my wingman every damn night.

This made sense in my head.
- flyer_nutter

What? As you get older and more comfortable with who you are, while adding life experience and gaining knowledge, walking up and talking to women becomes easier. The body should go in a very different direction. I assume you drive a car? The car is gonna breakdown as it gets more and more used.

Said players in question should be played in accordance to their level of play.

Not absolved from sin because of injury.

If a guy is constantly dealing with an injury or coming off of one. Well (frank), maybe he's just not worth it. Were not running a kum bah yah camp here.
- flyer_nutter

Do you think an injury can affect a players play?

I agree that if a player can't stay healthy, then that's not a player you want to invest in. That's the reason why Colaiacovo was still available. But you just can't dismiss an injury like it doesn't exist when judging a player.

So a player should be blamed for being injured?
- MJL

Yeah, at some point -- old NFL saying: "Can't make the club if you're in the tub"

Why is Carlo Coliacovo a fringe NHLer, at his age?

At some point, not being healthy for extended periods does matter, and rightly or wrongly, players are viewed differently if they miss extended time

Yes. To put it another way, over the past two seasons, plus the start of this season, Vinny Lecavalier is scoring at a rate of 0.64 PPG. Mike Richards is 0.55.

Richards plays a far more defense first role, yet only averages 0.11 PPG less than Vinny.
- Jsaquella

Richards also didn't have a fractured back to deal with.

What? As you get older and more comfortable with who you are, while adding life experience and gaining knowledge, walking up and talking to women becomes easier. The body should go in a very different direction. I assume you drive a car? The car is gonna breakdown as it gets more and more used.
- SuperSchennBros

Right. The car in question, LeCavalier and Umberger, has a pair of poopty tires, with a blown suspension and a bad transmission. Pretty sure there are semen stains on the back seat as well.

Anyway, point being that I don't absolve players coming off of injury for poopty play. If its a young guy dealing with some freak accident so be it. If its an old timer that's on the decline, injuries, being injury prone, and the results of increased wear/tear should be factored in when evaluating a player.