Exactly. Untouchable is a relative term. I call Couturier untouchable because it's highly unlikely a team would trade the return I'd be comfortable trading him for. Everyone has their price.
- Jsaquella

Yup. If we want to stay technical we could say "reasonably untouchable" or "virtually untouchable" but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter.

I haven't thought of this season as a wash, at any time.
- MJL

Let me define wash: having a very small chance at winning the Cup, like last season.

I saw Barry Melrose briefly on Sportscenter and he think Crosby will reach 150 points. I think there's no way
- PhillySportsGuy

It's all semantics really. If we want to use the technical definition, then I'd argue that even Crosby isn't untouchable (it would have to be a King's ransom) but I think there is a more accepted definition that makes the assumption that teams will not offer unreasonably lop-sided trades that would make a team trade a player like Crosby.
- NickTheKid87

But that's my point. The Penguins will not trade Crosby no matter the ridiculous offer. They simply will not trade him no way/no how.

According to Berube, Umberger, Rinaldo and VDV are also untouchable.
- BiggE

Please elaborate as this was before my time.
- Giroux_Is_God

1) Holy poop. 56 shutouts for Bernie? Only the LORD saves more

2) Jake is actually putting on one of the most impressive shows I've ever seen. I'm showing my lack of age, but this is pretty fun to watch.

3) My hell is over. I got an Eric Lindros on OTC yesterday and finished my SOAP note. I'm done til finals.

The amount of alcohol I'll be washing my liver with in the next week and a half will rival the scale of the Red Sea washing away the Egyptians.
- Giroux_Is_God

From 73 to his neck injury in the fall of 75, Parent played as well as any goalie ever.

73-74 1.89gaa, 12 shutouts, 47 wins: Vezina, Smythe 1st team all star
74-75 2.03gaa 12 shutouts 44 wins: Vezina, Smythe, 1st team all star

He was that damn good!

It's reasonable to want to trade Schenn for a young dman like Gormley or what not. It's not like people calling for a Giroux trade like at the beginning of last year. That was downright silly. I also think most of the reasonable people that were considering a Schenn trade were doing it with the idea that this current team is transitory so this particular season is essentially a wash.
- NickTheKid87

If you trade Schenn for a young defenseman, somehow there better be a very good forward also heading back in this direction. The Lecavalier line hasn't been very good, the fourth line shouldn't only be eating limited minutes and by trading Schenn you've taken from a very important, very key two wayline.

I saw Barry Melrose briefly on Sportscenter and he think Crosby will reach 150 points. I think there's no way
- PhillySportsGuy

His PP points will go down but his ES points should go up a little. He could get to 125 realistically on the high end. 100 on the low end. Probably around 110-115, IMO.

Exactly, it was a cash grab by Pocklington, pure and simple.

Most top end talents that get traded due to special circumstances.

When Orr was traded to the Blackhawks, his knees were basically shot and the Bruins cheapskate ownership didn't want to keep paying him.

When Gretzky was moved it was a cash grab

Lindros was traded due to personality conflicts with the GM.

Patrick Roy was traded because he was humiliated by then coach, Mario Tremblay and he made it clear to ownership that he would sit out rather than play another game for Montreal.
- BiggE

That misses the point. As did the comment about the 15M cash that was involved in the deal. The point is that ,as Nick talked about , is the semantics. If we really want to get right down to it. if Wayne Gretzky can be traded, regardless of the circumstances, then any player can. And there is no such thing as an untouchable. But most fans know that when the untouchable label is applied to a player, it generally means that the return needed to agree to trade the player, is so astronomically high, that it's not likely to happen.

Please elaborate as this was before my time.
- Giroux_Is_God

http://www.nhlfilmsarchiv...he-patrick-roy-trade.html

Please elaborate as this was before my time.
- Giroux_Is_God

More or less, they left him in a game for something like 9 straight goals instead of pulling him. When he made a save, he put up his arms as a mock that it was a great victory. He stormed off the ice, told the coach right then and there, on the bench, that he'd never play for the Candiens ever again. Walked off down the runway and never played another game for them.

Please elaborate as this was before my time.
- Giroux_Is_God

Tremblay left him in for an entire game where he was just strafed and gave up 9 goals. At the end of the game he skated right to where the club President was sitting and told him that he would never play another game for Montreal again.

If you trade Schenn for a young defenseman, somehow there better be a very good forward also heading back in direction. The Lecavalier line hasn't very good, the fourth line shouldn't only be eating limited minutes and by trading Schenn you've taken from a very important, very key two wayline.
- SuperSchennBros

I'm not advocating a trade, I'm just explaining why some people were playing with the idea of trading him. The same thing was going on last year and in the offseason too, since he's their best young asset that they would foreseeable be willing to trade. The other reason behind a trade was if he couldn't play LW with Giroux, Couturier, Lecavalier and Laughton in the pipeline but he seems to be adjusting to the wing.

Hmm
What if Tampa offered Stamkos, Drouin, Hedman and 3 firsts?
- BiggE

They still wouldn't do it. The Penguins ownership will not trade him, the same way they would not trade Lemieux. It may not be the smartest thing, but they will not do it.

But that's my point. The Penguins will not trade Crosby no matter the ridiculous offer. They simply will not trade him no way/no how.
- jmatchett383

If Tampa offered Hedman, Stamkos, Palat, Kucherov, Namestikov, 10 first round picks plus they eat half of all the players' salaries for Crosby, maybe PIT accepts.

I'm not advocating a trade, I'm just explaining why some people were playing with the idea of trading him. The same thing was going on last year and in the offseason too, since he's their best young asset that they would foreseeable be willing to trade. The other reason behind a trade was if he couldn't play LW with Giroux, Couturier, Lecavalier and Laughton in the pipeline but he seems to be adjusting to the wing.
- NickTheKid87

Trading Brayden Schenn wouldn't be a very good idea. We're already weak on the left side and Schenn is willing to play that position.

His PP points will go down but his ES points should go up a little. He could get to 125 realistically on the high end. 100 on the low end. Probably around 110-115, IMO.
- NickTheKid87

Agreed

I'm not advocating a trade, I'm just explaining why some people were playing with the idea of trading him. The same thing was going on last year and in the offseason too, since he's their best young asset that they would foreseeable be willing to trade. The other reason behind a trade was if he couldn't play LW with Giroux, Couturier, Lecavalier and Laughton in the pipeline but he seems to be adjusting to the wing.
- NickTheKid87

That was another myth talked about. That B Schenn couldn't play the LW and had to play Center, where he was most effective.

- Tomahawk

Remember when he tried coaching again? That was funny

If Tampa offered Hedman, Stamkos, Palat, Kucherov, Namestikov, 10 first round picks plus they eat half of all the players' salaries for Crosby, maybe PIT accepts.
- NickTheKid87

If you put reason and logic into the equation and take out everything else, then yes, they would. But he's basically the focal point of that team's culture, for better or worse. No matter what the package, he is immovable.

Trading Brayden Schenn wouldn't be a very good idea. We're already weak on the left side and Schenn is willing to play that position.
- SuperSchennBros

It would really depend on the return. And the timing of it.

Remember when he tried coaching again? That was funny
- PhillySportsGuy

Crappy player
Crappy coach
Crappy analyst

At least he's consistent

Agreed
- PhillySportsGuy

They're shooting 17% w/ him on the ice right now... that'll regress like a mother(frank)er.

If you put reason and logic into the equation and take out everything else, then yes, they would. But he's basically the focal point of that team's culture, for better or worse. No matter what the package, he is immovable.
- jmatchett383

Reason and logic are integral for the untouchable definition as it is commonly used which is what I was getting at. But, not matter how you define it, Crosby is definitely the MOST untouchable.