Nope, none of this is very good.

No it was timid Tambi. The deal was Ryan Jones and a 2nd and it was to much for him to pay..
- Oilfan19

Oh that hurts.

The more I look around at management decisions like that one ... or Vancouver throwing away both their goalies, or Gomez for McDonagh ( ), the more I wonder why the hell the Leafs took so much grief for the Kessel trade. It may not be even right now, but it is nowhere near as horrible as a lot of other trades and decisions.

... The Senators keeping Redden instead of Chara

When I saw a blog about Reimer and trades to the Oilers


- ystoil

suprised Berniers name doesnt come up more...as of now Leafs only paid a second pick for him...he could be flipped for a great return..Bordeur could be signed to back up Reimer..just looking at return for an asset Leafs paid very little for...

suprised Berniers name doesnt come up more...as of now Leafs only paid a second pick for him...he could be flipped for a great return..Bordeur could be signed to back up Reimer..just looking at return for an asset Leafs paid very little for...
- bazookajo

I think some Leafs fans have wondered the same thing.

The problem is that I don't think the organization is convinced either Bernier or Reimer is a top-flight starter. So I kind of hope they keep both around as insurance against each other.

Oh that hurts.

The more I look around at management decisions like that one ... or Vancouver throwing away both their goalies, or Gomez for McDonagh ( ), the more I wonder why the hell the Leafs took so much grief for the Kessel trade. It may not be even right now, but it is nowhere near as horrible as a lot of other trades and decisions.

... The Senators keeping Redden instead of Chara
- Aetherial

I feel you guys would be way further ahead if you didn't do that deal. Seguin IMO is currently better than Kessel. Only my opinion

I am pretty sure Nonis would pay that price Edmonton would be crazy to do that deal although it probably makes them a little better today ... if your 2nd line center situation is that bad.
- Aetherial

There was a little sarcasm in there... Basically if we trade eberle we need a C back

No it was timid Tambi. The deal was Ryan Jones and a 2nd and it was to much for him to pay..
- Oilfan19

Oh that hurts.

The more I look around at management decisions like that one ... or Vancouver throwing away both their goalies, or Gomez for McDonagh ( ), the more I wonder why the hell the Leafs took so much grief for the Kessel trade. It may not be even right now, but it is nowhere near as horrible as a lot of other trades and decisions.

... The Senators keeping Redden instead of Chara
- Aetherial

be fair, that wasn't a management decision. they offered both the same deal, redden took it, chara wanted more and the team couldn't afford to give it to him.

also, at the time, redden was coming off a GREAT season, while chara had actually had a relatively bad one. was hard to justify paying him more than redden.

obviously hindsight is 20/20.....but at the time it wasn't nearly as obvious.

and how can you talk bad trades and not bring up one of milbury's moves

I feel you guys would be way further ahead if you didn't do that deal. Seguin IMO is currently better than Kessel. Only my opinion
- Oilfan19

Kessel = scoring winger
Seguin = impact Center
Hamilton - future impact dman

scoring wingers are easier to obtain. Toronto lost that trade.

Oh that hurts.

The more I look around at management decisions like that one ... or Vancouver throwing away both their goalies, or Gomez for McDonagh ( ), the more I wonder why the hell the Leafs took so much grief for the Kessel trade. It may not be even right now, but it is nowhere near as horrible as a lot of other trades and decisions.

... The Senators keeping Redden instead of Chara
- Aetherial

Toronto is the centre of the hockey universe.

The way I think about it is if you trade Kessel now you will get a larger package than what you paid for. He is an elite scorer. The reason you take grief is because Toronto wasn't supposed to be bad that year and they were. If it was just Seguin/Kessel - I don't think it's that bad. The icing on the cake is Dougie Hamilton IMO.

be fair, that wasn't a management decision. they offered both the same deal, redden took it, chara wanted more and the team couldn't afford to give it to him.

also, at the time, redden was coming off a GREAT season, while chara had actually had a relatively bad one. was hard to justify paying him more than redden.

obviously hindsight is 20/20.....but at the time it wasn't nearly as obvious.

and how can you talk bad trades and not bring up one of milbury's moves
- sensarmy_11

My favorite trade rape was Chara and Spezza for Yashin

I think a lot of oilers fans might agree that on goaltending, we should either go big or go home on an upgrade.

I think a lot of leafs fans might agree that even if Reimer is an upgrade, he's not a huge one.

And it goes without saying we'd be worse without Petry and Perron imo.

I really think there aren't many deals to be found between the oilers and the leafs. There's probably only two players who could be useful to us, and oil fans aren't going to like it: Bozak and Phaneuf.

there's one way to get hits. Hear how many TO fans think Reimer is worth a top 6 forward/1st round pick

be fair, that wasn't a management decision. they offered both the same deal, redden took it, chara wanted more and the team couldn't afford to give it to him.

also, at the time, redden was coming off a GREAT season, while chara had actually had a relatively bad one. was hard to justify paying him more than redden.

obviously hindsight is 20/20.....but at the time it wasn't nearly as obvious.

and how can you talk bad trades and not bring up one of milbury's moves
- sensarmy_11

You mean all of Milbury's moves?

Kessel = scoring winger
Seguin = impact Center
Hamilton - future impact dman

scoring wingers are easier to obtain. Toronto lost that trade.
- ChetManly

But there's "scoring wingers" like Radim Vrbata and "scoring wingers" like Patrick Kane. And it's clear that Kessel is closer to the latter than the former.

there's one way to get hits. Hear how many TO fans think Reimer is worth a top 6 forward/1st round pick


- TheNugeIsHuge

Petry and Perron was the going rate

Kessel = scoring winger
Seguin = impact Center
Hamilton - future impact dman

scoring wingers are easier to obtain. Toronto lost that trade.
- ChetManly

i would strongly argue that hamilton is a current impact d-man

Kessel = scoring winger
Seguin = impact Center
Hamilton - future impact dman

scoring wingers are easier to obtain. Toronto lost that trade.
- ChetManly

Meh, go out and obtain a Kessel then.

I feel you guys would be way further ahead if you didn't do that deal. Seguin IMO is currently better than Kessel. Only my opinion
- Oilfan19

In 10 years ago terms:

Kessel = Kovalchuk
Seguin = Marc Savard

Hamilton is the big question mark now that it's clear that Knight is essentially Lander.

there's one way to get hits. Hear how many TO fans think Reimer is worth a top 6 forward/1st round pick


- TheNugeIsHuge

Zero

Troll

Meh, go out and obtain a Kessel then.
- Garnie

Don't need him. Our entire top 6 are really soft scoring forwards

Don't need him. Our entire top 6 are really soft scoring forwards
- Oilfan19

- Garnie

Man you would blow the hell out of MacT for the chance to have Hall. Don't you lie

Man you would blow the hell out of MacT for the chance to have Hall. Don't you lie
- Oilfan19

Ha, but not instead off Kessel.

Ha, but not instead off Kessel.
- Garnie

Kessel is a way better version of Eberle.
Hall is a way better version of JVR.

As a rough estimate.