I see a need for a 2C and a Left-shooting D. Obvi a smaller price for Bozak and Phaneuf is completely unpalatable to some Oil fans, so how about a larger price for Yandle and Vermette/Hanzal?
- Morris

I'd rather this...

Mact and Eakins have spoken about a certain culture of winning they want to build. Phaneuf doesn't fit. At all.

Again its just my opinion.
- Iggysbff

Phaneuf isn't my first choice, the the trade addressed two positions and the payment isn't ridiculous. Fair trade? Yes. Preferred trade? Not really.

I see a need for a 2C and a Left-shooting D. Obvi a smaller price for Bozak and Phaneuf is completely unpalatable to some Oil fans, so how about a larger price for Yandle and Vermette/Hanzal?
- Morris

Hedman and Stamkos!?

Watching return of the living dead... Awesome cult classic...

I'd rather this...
- spitfire187

I can see Vermette not costing too much. I'd rather not sell too much to Arizona.

Petry + Purcell + Marincin + conditional 1st (this season or next) <--> Phaneuf + Bozak

Pouliot-Nuge-Ebs
Hall-Bozak-Yakupov
Drai-Arcobello-Perron
Hendricks-Gordon-Joensuu

Phaneuf-Fayne
Klefbom-Schultz
Nikitin-Ference
- Morris

I think Marincin+Petry<--->Phaneuf makes our D worse. Purcell+1st for Bozak is terrible

I'd rather this...
- spitfire187

It'd be way more than that. Guaranteed we'd be trading the 2015 1st, Marincin/Klefbom if not Nurse, probably Eberle/Perron.

There's a chance you can really sell Arizona on the chance to save their franchise financially by getting a pick that could become McDavid. Then all we'd need to do is win enough to take that away from them.

Plus some bullcrap about re-uniting Gagner and Eberle or something.

I think Marincin+Petry<--->Phaneuf makes our D worse. Purcell+1st for Bozak is terrible
- TheNugeIsHuge

In what world are you getting Phaneuf for a prospect dman and a guy with 60 games on his contract? I know he's a leaf and overpaid, but that's ridiculous.

It'd be way more than that. Guaranteed we'd be trading the 2015 1st, Marincin/Klefbom if not Nurse, probably Eberle/Perron.

There's a chance you can really sell Arizona on the chance to save their franchise financially by getting a pick that could become McDavid. Then all we'd need to do is win enough to take that away from them.

Plus some bullcrap about re-uniting Gagner and Eberle or something.
- Morris

but still yandel >>>>>>>>>> dion

Phaneuf isn't my first choice, the the trade addressed two positions and the payment isn't ridiculous. Fair trade? Yes. Preferred trade? Not really.
- ChetManly

I'd rather keep Marincin and let him grow.

Ryan Ellis is just coming around this year. How long did that take? Hedman? Nothing for a few years then boom. See it so often with dmen. Give them time to develop. Keep MM over trading him for Phanuef 100 times out of 100.

I think Marincin+Petry<--->Phaneuf makes our D worse. Purcell+1st for Bozak is terrible
- TheNugeIsHuge

Agreed 1000000%

Phaneuf isn't my first choice, the the trade addressed two positions and the payment isn't ridiculous. Fair trade? Yes. Preferred trade? Not really.
- ChetManly

I can live with that.

It'd be way more than that. Guaranteed we'd be trading the 2015 1st, Marincin/Klefbom if not Nurse, probably Eberle/Perron.

There's a chance you can really sell Arizona on the chance to save their franchise financially by getting a pick that could become McDavid. Then all we'd need to do is win enough to take that away from them.

Plus some bullcrap about re-uniting Gagner and Eberle or something.
- Morris

Morris youre a smart guy. You really believe Tippet and Maloney are going to fall for that?

No you don't. Yandle might be available. But I can't see the price being crazy like you think. Seguin didn't cost that much.

Agreed 1000000%
- Iggysbff

Marincin doesn't play for the Oilers currently. He sits in the Oilers pressbox. In the immediate go ahead, there's no indication they have greater plans for him.

Petry will in all likelihood not be an Oiler in 60 games time. He's in Hemsky territory.

So putting aside that those two assets don't get you Phaneuf in a trade, I'd actually contest that Phaneuf wouldn't provide the Oilers more benefit when you're looking at things in the context of what the team is trying to do.

Which evidently you are, since you bring up Eakins and MacT's thoughts about team culture.

I'd rather keep Marincin and let him grow.

Ryan Ellis is just coming around this year. How long did that take? Hedman? Nothing for a few years then boom. See it so often with dmen. Give them time to develop. Keep MM over trading him for Phanuef 100 times out of 100.
- Iggysbff

You must've missed the revised offer. Petry + Perron + Conditional 1st = Phaneuf + Bozak.

It's a lot more forgiving. I have no desire to let MM go away for cheap. He might be able to be a solid guy like Hedman (doubtful, but I like to dream).

Morris youre a smart guy. You really believe Tippet and Maloney are going to fall for that?

No you don't. Yandle might be available. But I can't see the price being crazy like you think. Seguin didn't cost that much.
- Iggysbff

I'm confused. First you're saying that Tippet and Maloney won't fall for the trade proposal. Then you're saying it's too much??

I was proposing in terms of Yandle + Hanzal/Vermette by the way. Not just Yandle.

I think Marincin+Petry<--->Phaneuf makes our D worse. Purcell+1st for Bozak is terrible
- TheNugeIsHuge

I think we are definitely tougher with Phaneuf in the back end... cost wise tho- this would take us over the cap no??

I'm confused. First you're saying that Tippet and Maloney won't fall for the trade proposal. Then you're saying it's too much??

I was proposing in terms of Yandle + Hanzal/Vermette by the way. Not just Yandle.
- Morris

You were talking about fooling them. They won't be fooled.

I would like Yandle. I think he'd be a great fit. I don't see them giving up Hanzal or Vermette.

I think we are definitely tougher with Phaneuf in the back end... cost wise tho- this would take us over the cap no??
- saskoil21

It would give us over 4mil in additional cap hit.

You were talking about fooling them. They won't be fooled.

I would like Yandle. I think he'd be a great fit. I don't see them giving up Hanzal or Vermette.
- Iggysbff

You mean this:

There's a chance you can really sell Arizona on the chance to save their franchise financially by getting a pick that could become McDavid. Then all we'd need to do is win enough to take that away from them.

By bolding financially, I was talking about ownership. Tippet and Maloney could well believe one thing about the importance of our first while the ownership group could value it differently. I have no idea what the trust level is between this group and its team management. By some accounts, Katz strongarmed Yakupov being drafted so it's not like owners - who have to sign off on trades - are always going to be blank slates about these sorts of things.

If you meant the Gagner-Eberle thing, that was sort of facetious, but it's also what every team does in talking to every other team, no doubt. I don't think they'd be fooled particularly, but MacT would certainly bring it up.

TOR fans will tell you he's the best player from the draft
- TheNugeIsHuge

Every player they take is the best player from that draft. This year the best player from the draft was Nylander

Methot, Zibanejad and Greening for Hall and Schultz was the proposal

The ignorance about Hall is amazing. People are still claiming we should trade Hall and Nuge and build around Eberle.
- Morris

yea, but in his defence Hall looks pretty disengaged

yea, but in his defence Hall looks pretty disengaged
- SpoiledByOil

For his price via trade no to mention his cap hit- people would be wanting to kill him as we have terrible back end and how he gambles in games for Pittsburgh we would regret it - we don't have the defense to support his game IMO
- saskoil21

I'd rather keep Marincin and let him grow.

Ryan Ellis is just coming around this year. How long did that take? Hedman? Nothing for a few years then boom. See it so often with dmen. Give them time to develop. Keep MM over trading him for Phanuef 100 times out of 100.
- Iggysbff

Agree