You're right, the Yotes are likely asking for more!!
- newmy

Who says they are asking for more? Maybe they think it's a fair offer, but they have no desire to trade away OEL. You said earlier that OEL cannot be had.

He won't help anyways without improved goaltending & defense!!
- newmy

Surprisingly accurate.

Exactly. I don't want to hear anyone talking about how we should have taken Landeskog.

There's no way we'd be better off than we are now with two LW 1st overalls.

And if you believe an entire rebuild (8 years and counting according to some) can be undone by picking Yak instead of Murray/Galchenyuk (and their >130 NHL games each) then I don't know what to say.

The failure in rebuilding has to do with failing to keep/bring in impact veterans at Defense and in a variety of forward positions including centre.
- Morris

Nuge was slight of stature and the Oilers needed to get some elite prospects on D into the pipeline something they still need to do! Yes it may have taken a few years for them to mature in the minors but today who would you rather have Nuge or Hamilton? And Alex Galchenyuk was and will continue to be the better player who plays a more impactful position and a position that Edmonton needs.

man, i had a steamy bigern this morning.
- ChetManly

So on the first goal by Vrbata - is it an improper system where they lined up incorrectly to defend Vrbata's position high on the circle, or is it a bad read by the players to not be aware that maybe that guy can shoot it pretty good if he gets the puck....I think we're talking about NHL players here, not Bantam AAA kids??

I guess that's for you Morris...

The Oilers are a poor mans Islanders. Nuge is no Tavares and their defense is even worse if such a thing is possible! The Islanders finally woke up and signed decent goal tending and serviceable dmen. The Oilers seem to think that it's all going to come together magically for them if they just have patience... Not only that but they seem to draft with wrong players with their 1st picks. Aside from Hall, it can be argued that selecting Nuge and Yak were mistakes that potentially set the franchise back for years.
- mnhockeyguy

What's your argument against RNH? The only 4 players in the conversation for #1 that year were RNH, Landeskog, Larsson, and Huberdeau. Landeskog was a LW at the draft so drafting him after drafting Hall and having Paajarvi would've been a major folly. Huberdeau hasn't been impressive and even plays LW himself so he wasn't the right choice. Need I say anything about Larsson? He hasn't consistently been able to crack NJ's line-up since his rookie year. It may have been different were he an Oiler, but we can't argue hypotheticals when making such claims as you are.

On to the 2012 draft, there were only 3 guys in the conversation for the top pick; Yakupov, Murray, and Galchenyuk. The three currently stand as this: an offensive winger that has been struggling on offense since rounding out his D game, a two-way Dman who has lost upwards of 1.5 seasons worth of development time since his drafting, and an offensive C who has put up okay numbers since his drafting while playing on the LW. Really? Is it that big of a difference?

MacT wanted to make bold moves but let's face it, he has no balls at all.

If he did, that bold move would have happened the first 6 months on the job.

He has said repeatedly how the defense needs to improve, how the Oilers need a top pairing blueliner yet he continues to shutdown any trade involving Ebs, Yak, Hall or RNH.

Make a bold move, offer up Ebs & the 1st in 2015 to land a guy like OEL & a pick or something along those lines - that's being bold & that's what it's going to take to acquire a top defenceman in the league. Teams knows this & the price is very high on these type players & it should be because defense wins championships!!

And if he's scared to offer up the 1st this year, then it just proves MacT has already caved in & realized it's another losing year!!
- newmy

Newmyyyyyyy

Nuge was slight of stature and the Oilers needed to get some elite prospects on D into the pipeline something they still need to do! Yes it may have taken a few years for them to mature in the minors but today who would you rather have Nuge or Hamilton? And Alex Galchenyuk was and will continue to be the better player who plays a more impactful position and a position that Edmonton needs.
- mnhockeyguy

So on the first goal by Vrbata - is it an improper system where they lined up incorrectly to defend Vrbata's position high on the circle, or is it a bad read by the players to not be aware that maybe that guy can shoot it pretty good if he gets the puck....I think we're talking about NHL players here, not Bantam AAA kids??

I guess that's for you Morris...
- LeftCoaster

Yeah, fair enough. I was more talking about the odd man rushes. Seems like a lot of bad reads on when to pinch, and who to track on the backcheck/non-existent backcheck.

Maybe it's a bit of column A, bit of column B.

To EDM:

Coburn
Read
3rd Rounder

To Philly:
Perron
Petry
- J35Bacher

No

No
- Jeropotato

Not just no but hell no...

Not just no but hell no...
- spitfire187

this seems to be the derp level in here

Nuge was slight of stature and the Oilers needed to get some elite prospects on D into the pipeline something they still need to do! Yes it may have taken a few years for them to mature in the minors but today who would you rather have Nuge or Hamilton? And Alex Galchenyuk was and will continue to be the better player who plays a more impactful position and a position that Edmonton needs.
- mnhockeyguy

This whole post is loaded with DERP. Not surprised judging by its author.

No
- Jeropotato

Why not?? Because the Oilers should not have to give up any decent players for acquire decent players??

That's usually the thinking with the worst run organization in the league!!

Nuge was slight of stature and the Oilers needed to get some elite prospects on D into the pipeline something they still need to do! Yes it may have taken a few years for them to mature in the minors but today who would you rather have Nuge or Hamilton? And Alex Galchenyuk was and will continue to be the better player who plays a more impactful position and a position that Edmonton needs.
- mnhockeyguy

Actually, our D prospects are pretty good. I'd say we've got three pretty comfortable projections to top 4 dmen in Nurse, Klefbom and Marincin.

Maybe we could have taken Hamilton 1st overall, but it would have been way off the board and you've really got the benefit of hindsight in making that decision. That still would have left us with a huge need for a centre with the 19th pick. Look back at the 2011 draft, which centre could we have.

Even if Hamilton > Nuge in terms of talent and NHL need (which I contest), and even if we had gone far off the board to pick him there (which I contest that any team would have done without the aid of a time machine), Hamilton + drafting Namestnikov or whomever at 19th does not leave us better off than Nuge + Klefbom.

For 75+% of his career so far, Galchenyuk has been a 3rd line Winger. We're actually teeming with those. He'll undoubtedly progress, and become a solid nautral top 6 centre, but then again, isn't Nuge already on that path?

No
- Jeropotato

I'd consider it frankly.

We likely aren't re-signing Petry, so Read + a 3rd is a decent enough rental price.

Coburn ~= to Perron.

Unless we have some sudden, new indication that Petry is going to re-sign or you think we could bleed a conditional out of them.

Yeah, fair enough. I was more talking about the odd man rushes. Seems like a lot of bad reads on when to pinch, and who to track on the backcheck/non-existent backcheck.

Maybe it's a bit of column A, bit of column B.
- Morris

Agreed...bit of both.

Why not?? Because the Oilers should not have to give up any decent players for acquire decent players??

That's usually the thinking with the worst run organization in the league!!
- newmy

Haha how's the fishing today?

this seems to be the derp level in here


- ChetManly

That chicken could probably beat most these chumps at tick tack tow...

- Bigern4MVP

i like it

That chicken could probably beat most these chumps at tick tack tow...
- spitfire187

he could also beat the oilers in a game of hockey

Why not?? Because the Oilers should not have to give up any decent players for acquire decent players??

That's usually the thinking with the worst run organization in the league!!
- newmy

Can't respond to my replies anymore given how I proved you wrong?

Haha how's the fishing today?
- Morris

Really good. Been reeling is some big replies today. I'll drop a line a little deeper & see what kind of bites I receive!!

he could also beat the me in a game of hockey
- Bigern4MVP

yup.