See
I tried to warn you.....

See
I tried to warn you.....
- BiggE

Let it go. I really doubt its a guy for real. It gets hits for the site, and essentially why he is immune.

You are grumpy lately, wtf man.

You're wasting your time because he's never wrong

Never

Whats worse, he'll fill up endless pages trying to convince you of his unending correctness
- BiggE

I know. I'm going to have dinner in a minute. But sometimes, because we're here every day, we lose sight of the context of just what we're seeing. Sometimes, he defends these players for pages and you think, "Well, hey. Maybe there's hope for for that guy."

Umberger's been nothing short of disastrous. There's no other way to slice that. He's been a (frank)ing disaster.

Saying he has value because he kills penalties? That's laughable when you're 30th in the league on the PK! What, are they going to be relegated to the Swedish Elite League if he's no longer out there?

There is NOTHING that R.J. Umberger is bringing to this team. NOTHING.

What makes me say that? Looking at this team over the first 19 games. How they've been inconsistent in overall effort. How they have stopped playing at times and give up 3 goal leads in the 3rd period. How they don't show up for games such as against the Rangers. How overall as a team they turn the puck over too much, and blow defensive coverages. That's how I know. But just like last year when you were dying for me to explain to you that the Flyers didn't need to make a trade to score goals, I'm stating that the 4th line is the least of the Flyers worries. And there are umpteen more and bigger factors that are going to determine if the Flyers make the playoffs, then the 4th line.

I guess the 4th line rant is taking the place of the Flyers need to make a trade to score goals rant that took place last year.
- MJL

Guess what? They do still need that goal-scorer at ES. The PP covers up all their woes in that regard, and you can point out that I was wrong about them turning it around, but they really didn't.

The PP covers up their woes, and has for the last four seasons, since Jagr was around and after Pronger got hurt.

Falling back to last year means you've got nothing, absolutely nothing, to offer THIS year.

Guess what? They do still need that goal-scorer at ES. The PP covers up all their woes in that regard, and you can point out that I was wrong about them turning it around, but they really didn't.

The PP covers up their woes, and has for the last four seasons, since Jagr was around and after Pronger got hurt.

Falling back to last year means you've got nothing, absolutely nothing, to offer THIS year.
- AllInForFlyers

You must be a very passionate lover.

You must be a very passionate lover.
- flyer_nutter

The dreaded double post

Let it go. I really doubt its a guy for real. It gets hits for the site, and essentially why he is immune.

You are grumpy lately, wtf man.
- flyer_nutter

LOL, I hear ya. Too many long days, late nights and way too little sleep

You must be a very passionate lover.
- flyer_nutter

Ha! I'm done. We all know where we stand.

And they don't call me Sweetcheeks for nothing.

Is Darnell Nurse and a second too much for Coburn?

What makes me say that? Looking at this team over the first 19 games. How they've been inconsistent in overall effort. How they have stopped playing at times and give up 3 goal leads in the 3rd period. How they don't show up for games such as against the Rangers. How overall as a team they turn the puck over too much, and blow defensive coverages. That's how I know. But just like last year when you were dying for me to explain to you that the Flyers didn't need to make a trade to score goals, I'm stating that the 4th line is the least of the Flyers worries. And there are umpteen more and bigger factors that are going to determine if the Flyers make the playoffs, then the 4th line.

I guess the 4th line rant is taking the place of the Flyers need to make a trade to score goals rant that took place last year.
- MJL

Never forgive, never forget

Currently the Flyers have the following players signed for next season.

Streit: 5.25
Macdonald: 5
Coburn: 4.5
Schenn: 3.6
Grossman: 3.5
MDZ RFA

Basically, the same d-core could be brought back next year with a raise to MDZ and Schultz as the number 7.

I'd like to see some movement, and I think so do the Flyers who probably want Ghost up here next year. The problem with losing either of Schenn or Grossmann is the blueline already lacks physicality to begin with. Coburn for all of his inconsistency is still a good d-man on most seasons.

If there was any way to unload MacDonald, I'd look really hard at that.

Currently the Flyers have the following players signed for next season.

Streit: 5.25
Macdonald: 5
Coburn: 4.5
Schenn: 3.6
Grossman: 3.5
MDZ RFA

Basically, the same d-core could be brought back next year with a raise to MDZ and Schultz as the number 7.

I'd like to see some movement, and I think so do the Flyers who probably want Ghost up here next year. The problem with losing either of Schenn or Grossmann is the blueline already lacks physicality to begin with. Coburn for all of his inconsistency is still a good d-man on most seasons.

If there was any way to unload MacDonald, I'd look really hard at that.
- flyer_nutter

If they go on a run without Schenn, it's gonna be tough for him

If they go on a run without Schenn, it's gonna be tough for him
- AllInForFlyers

Grossmann wont stick long term because of his age imo once his contract is up. Thankfully, he has been pretty healthy in his time with the Flyers which I wasn't sure would happen once he came to Philadelphia.

Luke Schenn makes 3.6 million now. I cant really see a team giving him a significant raise, but there could be some teams that do give him a little more. I don't think he is worth 3.6 to begin with, so I don't see him sticking long term.

Grossmann wont stick long term because of his age imo once his contract is up. Thankfully, he has been pretty healthy in his time with the Flyers which I wasn't sure would happen once he came to Philadelphia.

Luke Schenn makes 3.6 million now. I cant really see a team giving him a significant raise, but there could be some teams that do give him a little more. I don't think he is worth 3.6 to begin with, so I don't see him sticking long term.
- flyer_nutter

I'm guessing that if they are a bubble team at the deadline, at least 1 vet dman will be dealt to a contender

Mark my words: If they stand pat and just ride it out, then miss the postseason, they could easily regret it.

If they were just good players having good years, I'd say, "Fine. (frank) it. Whatever."

But you've got a reigning Hart Trophy finalist arguably playing even better than he did last year, being joined by a guy who is playing even better than he is.

Think about that for a second.

They are doing every single thing superstars are supposed to do: They are carrying this team right now.

You have a goalie who has done nothing for you but win games, play well, with the occasional hiccup.

Again: I'm not saying acquire some big-ticket player who you can't afford and costs a billion assets. I know they can't, and won't, do that.

But the Rags proved last year just how far you can go with third and fourth-liners who can actually play.

You can carry VLC. It's not ideal, but you can carry him.

But no one will ever convince me that the Flyers can't do better than choosing between Umberger, Rinaldo and Vandevelde every night, ESPECIALLY if Read isn't scoring and with a PK that is ranked DEAD LAST IN THE LEAGUE.

That's right, folks. The Flyers are DEAD LAST in the entire National Hockey League on the PK.

If Read doesn't start scoring soon, then yeah, you gotta look at that. And yeah, you gotta look at upgrading with defensive specialists and hockey-smart players who can help fix that PP and give you good minutes on the fourth line.

That's Hextall's job.
- AllInForFlyers

preaching to the choir and im not a good singer... unless im doing slayer karioche

Grossmann wont stick long term because of his age imo once his contract is up. Thankfully, he has been pretty healthy in his time with the Flyers which I wasn't sure would happen once he came to Philadelphia.

Luke Schenn makes 3.6 million now. I cant really see a team giving him a significant raise, but there could be some teams that do give him a little more. I don't think he is worth 3.6 to begin with, so I don't see him sticking long term.
- flyer_nutter

I'd keep Luke Schenn to move up on the back end and replace what Grossmann already does. He isn't great now. They'll be growing pains but I believe he can improve with the right partner. Luke is a penalty killer, wares down opponents with his physical play and blocks shots, right handed. Right now and moving forward I think he's nessassary.

I'd keep Luke Schenn to move up on the back end and replace what Grossmann already does. He isn't great now. They'll be growing pains but I believe he can improve with the right partner. Luke is a penalty killer, wares down opponents with his physical play and blocks shots, right handed. Right now and moving forward I think he's nessassary.
- SuperSchennBros

he cant replace grossmann

I'd keep Luke Schenn to move up on the back end and replace what Grossmann already does. He isn't great now. They'll be growing pains but I believe he can improve with the right partner. Luke is a penalty killer, wares down opponents with his physical play and blocks shots, right handed. Right now and moving forward I think he's nessassary.
- SuperSchennBros

he cant replace grossmann

I'm guessing that if they are a bubble team at the deadline, at least 1 vet dman will be dealt to a contender
- BiggE

I'd deal anyway, and its what I hoped they would have done last year instead of been buyers.

Coburn for all of his warts, I'd still keep him. Anyone else on a reasonable deal from that back end except maybe Streit. Sell away.

I'd deal anyway, and its what I hoped they would have done last year instead of been buyers.

Coburn for all of his warts, I'd still keep him. Anyone else on a reasonable deal from that back end except maybe Streit. Sell away.
- flyer_nutter

If they do that, hopefully they bring back someone who can help the regular roster

I'd keep Luke Schenn to move up on the back end and replace what Grossmann already does. He isn't great now. They'll be growing pains but I believe he can improve with the right partner. Luke is a penalty killer, wares down opponents with his physical play and blocks shots, right handed. Right now and moving forward I think he's nessassary.
- SuperSchennBros

If it comes down to Grossmann vs Luke. I take Grossmann every time.

Luke has one thing, he is a bit younger. Which only comes into play if you are looking to keeping each guy as a part of the picture long term. Or if you think Luke at his age is still going to "develop".

I'd deal anyway, and its what I hoped they would have done last year instead of been buyers.

Coburn for all of his warts, I'd still keep him. Anyone else on a reasonable deal from that back end except maybe Streit. Sell away.
- flyer_nutter

Agreed!

Agreed!
- BiggE

I think they are stuck with Macdonald due to the contract but maybe Edmonton would bite. Have to hope.

Teams could have interest in Grossmann or Luke at the deadline. Although as weird as it could sound I think Schultz is your best bet. Cheap, can play and a team wont have to carry him past this season.

If it comes down to Grossmann vs Luke. I take Grossmann every time.

Luke has one thing, he is a bit younger. Which only comes into play if you are looking to keeping each guy as a part of the picture long term. Or if you think Luke at his age is still going to "develop".
- flyer_nutter

No question Grossmann is better but I still believe Schenn can improve. I understand wanting more by now but I thought Luke was very good when MacDonald was brought in last season down the stretch. I still feel he could be the Luke Schenn we saw next to Kimmo Timonen a couple seasons ago.

No question Grossmann is better but I still believe Schenn can improve. I understand wanting more by now but I thought Luke was very good when MacDonald was brought in last season down the stretch. I still feel he could be the Luke Schenn we saw next to Kimmo Timonen a couple seasons ago.
- SuperSchennBros

I don't.