Robin Lehner, Marc Methot and Zack Smith for Hall and Scrivens.

Oilers get their #1 goalie, a top pairing D-man, and a gritty 3rd line centre.
- maaddmike

so these are the types of offers we can expect.
and are probably getting worse with the pure desperation setting in.
but y'all still think mact hasn't made a move cause hes content?


an unproven goalie, a 2nd pairing guy and a plug
for
hall

Fixed - because it can be said for either team.
- LeftCoaster

Better no trade than trading two starters for scraps

Honestly, with goaltending I'd fire the coach first. Chabot is brutal,

Defense is the obvious issue, but it's tough to address. Centre is the easiest one of the three IMO (because it won't be a first line centre) and it's also a gaping hole.
- ystoil

True, but you're essentially trading from a position of strength (top 6 forwards) for another top 6 forward. You're right that your filling up a hole down the middle which needs patching, but it's more or less a lateral move.

The logic I would use is that you would trade from a position of strength to balance out a position of weakness, so a top 6 forward for a defenseman.

so these are the types of offers we can expect.
and are probably getting worse with the pure desperation setting in.
but y'all still think mact hasn't made a move cause hes content?
- hugefemale dog77

Ryan Wilson mentioned Sutter and Bortuzzo for Perron, that would be a reasonable offer. Bortuzzo is quite underrated IMO

True, but you're essentially trading from a position of strength (top 6 forwards) for another top 6 forward. You're right that your filling up a hole down the middle which needs patching, but it's more or less a lateral move.

The logic I would use is that you would trade from a position of strength to balance out a position of weakness, so a top 6 forward for a defenseman.
- RAGSareDANGERus

Well a fair deal in my mind that would help would be a Perron/Yandle trade. But we would have to get rid of Schultz somehow.

so these are the types of offers we can expect.
and are probably getting worse with the pure desperation setting in.
but y'all still think mact hasn't made a move cause hes content?


an unproven goalie, a 2nd pairing guy and a plug
for
hall
- hugefemale dog77

That may go down as one of the more brutal offers

Ryan Wilson mentioned Sutter and Bortuzzo for Perron, that would be a reasonable offer. Bortuzzo is quite underrated IMO
- lumlums

tbh I don't know nearly enough about bortuzzo.

but at first glance I say no as sutter as the main piece coming back for perron just doesn't help us.

perron has a unique skillset. I don't see why we move him for anything less than a slam dunk.
hes one of the few gritty wingers that actually likes cycle and grtit game. all the while having amzing skills/hands.

Sure, but there's no noise about Nonis trying to move Lupul for a first line centre.
- Jeffmt

I beg to differ, there was a lot of noise from the media, which is where this is coming from not MacT, after the Leafs lost 9-2 about getting a number one center.

let me preface this by saying, Oil always had a soft spot in my heart because it was #99 flying down the wing why I fell in love with the game... the only man who could sway me to different teams was Richer in MTL and then, the man, Stevie Y, that was in 89'... I have been a Wing fans since. Fortunately, through much success.

Here is what I learned, it took the Wings close to 15yrs to become a staple of of the league, and man, I remember many loses as much or more than wins... but in the end, we are on the up and up by way of drafting and development.

here is what I see in Oil Nation:

I see too much "look at how much I won, so I know winning" coming from Lowe, I see MacT who vocally shows he is trying to make moves, but I dont think he has the experience to clean up the mess and I see poor Eakins, trying his best with what he is given.... which isnt much more than a "potential" group all around.

Eberle, Hall and Nug are perfect on par with where they should be. But depth lacks some vets that can contribute, d is nothing more than 3rd and 4th pairings who can not show the Schultz of the world what it takes to be an elite dman // in net you have two AHLers.

this to me is not how any other of the cup contenders, let alone bubble teams is built.

--

The Fix (1) -- Remove Lowe and MacT.
I would target Paul Fenton who has a history of doing very well with Poile in Nashville all on a budget while maximzing players for cap purposes and is ready for a team that he can put his own staple on and has ZERO affliation to the past, which is near impossible to stand up too in this day and age, a failure that Lowe and MacT fail to reconize.

The Fix (2) -- Remove Eakins.
Is he a bad coach, I dont think so... but he had me lost with the replacement of Fruit trays at the start of his tenure.... too much, too soon for me. The guy the Oil should get is Dan Bylsma. A lead by example, stoic, guy who has proven he had brought young kids to their potential... and probably in the toughest environment with the highest potential. // He is the man for the job to mold your top players while understanding the needs of the depth lads as that is how he made a career out of hockey.

The Fix (3) - player developement.
Completely overhaul the development system so the players that are drafted are not to be relied upon to be on the Oilers roster for a few years, let them learn to be pros before they are ruined.

The Fix (4) - commit to a rebuild around the big (3).
This of course would be moving Yakupov, im sure he could be a regular top 6, maybe even top 3... he has character, the want is simply not there yet and I dont think Canada is a place he can thrive at the pro level, at least this early. Time to move him for either help for the big 3, or my preference some defence potential to grow... Myers would be a great target.

Im sure all of this has been said before, and im sure its easier to say than to be done, but I think this is completed necessary to do and it will take a few years but it has be done... its a shame what the Oil is going through but at the current rate its going, is a slap in the face at the Oilers great modern day history.

best of luck Oil Nation.

Better no trade than trading two starters for scraps
- lumlums

I'm tied with you without any goaltender stats - this may indicate #yousuck

Well a fair deal in my mind that would help would be a Perron/Yandle trade. But we would have to get rid of Schultz somehow.
- ystoil

Schultz to Buffalo or Calgary maybe. They could use a young defenseman to slot into their rebuilds. Not sure they'd be willing to give up any of their prospects or 1st round picks though.

so these are the types of offers we can expect.
and are probably getting worse with the pure desperation setting in.
but y'all still think mact hasn't made a move cause hes content?


an unproven goalie, a 2nd pairing guy and a plug
for
hall
- hugefemale dog77

I think this whole idea that desperate GMs can't get fair deals is a myth. Yes, the initial offers for Edmonton's players are going to be garbage, but if McTavish responds by saying "I'm not going to be ripped off, here's a fair deal" and it is indeed a fair deal, the other GM isn't going to listen? Just because he's is in a bad position? Would other GMs rather not do a deal at all just because they can't rip him off. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I'm tied with you without any goaltender stats - this may indicate #yousuck
- LeftCoaster

Chompsey sure left me a poopty team. Fixing it will be a process. Have you not read any of the blog or the comments here???

@DarrenDreger: Among Oilers trade targets...David Perron. Told MacTavish is asking for a top center in return. Edmtn gm obviously working phones. #TSN
- ystoil

ROR time, give me what you got...all of it

That may go down as one of the more brutal offers
- ystoil

but this is EXACTLY how id start if was opposing gm.
im not saying that I wouldn't sweeten or that mact cant find a better deal than this, but id bet this isnt that far at all from the type of stuff going on right now.

you wouldn't be doing your job as a gm if you weren't trying to take advantage of a desperate gm.

basically they know were desperate for tending and defence. why not try and entice with a young goalie that has some potential and a solid defencemen? neither really do much right now, but just maybe mact's desperate enough.

to those who are saying mact wont do anything. fire him as the moves are there to be made. don't be scared. etc etc.
I say you're wrong

I think this whole idea that desperate GMs can't get fair deals is a myth. Yes, the initial offers for Edmonton's players are going to be garbage, but if McTavish responds by saying "I'm not going to be ripped off, here's a fair deal" and it is indeed a fair deal, the other GM isn't going to listen? Just because he's is in a bad position? Would other GMs rather not do a deal at all just because they can't rip him off. It just doesn't make sense to me.
- Jeffmt

If it was that easy there would be trades all the time.

ROR time, give me what you got...all of it
- DDM-Coga

Schultz + Perron for ROR + Berra + 2nd

ROR time, give me what you got...all of it
- DDM-Coga

Petry, take it or leave it.

Schultz + Perron for ROR + Berra + 2nd
- RAGSareDANGERus

YES PLEASE

Schultz + Perron for ROR + Berra + 2nd
- RAGSareDANGERus

you shouldn't be allowed to make trade proposals

I think this whole idea that desperate GMs can't get fair deals is a myth. Yes, the initial offers for Edmonton's players are going to be garbage, but if McTavish responds by saying "I'm not going to be ripped off, here's a fair deal" and it is indeed a fair deal, the other GM isn't going to listen? Just because he's is in a bad position? Would other GMs rather not do a deal at all just because they can't rip him off. It just doesn't make sense to me.
- Jeffmt

I basically wrote just this in another before I saw urs.

im not saying finding a fair deal is improssible.

but it absolutely would not start that way imo.
and the situation only makes it more difficult to find that deal

Petry, take it or leave it.
- whipper334

nope we will just sign him as a UFA

If it was that easy there would be trades all the time.
- RAGSareDANGERus

There used to be trades all the time. The salary cap has way more to do with the lack of trading now.

Chompsey sure left me a poopty team. Fixing it will be a process. Have you not read any of the blog or the comments here???
- lumlums

You know you can change the name of the team - Paul's poopers or whatever floats your boat

Schultz + Perron for ROR + Berra + 2nd
- RAGSareDANGERus

At this exact moment I think that Schultz has relatively little value. He's obviously a talented guy, but he's playing some of the worst hockey of his career at the minute.