Robin Lehner, Marc Methot and Zack Smith for Hall and Scrivens.

Oilers get their #1 goalie, a top pairing D-man, and a gritty 3rd line centre.
- maaddmike

Horrible, horrible deal. Ask yourself if you'd trade Hall for this package
- Barnaby36

Come on now, Sens fans don't think. If they did, they'd still all be either Habs or Leafs fans like they were before 1992...

As I said last night, I'm probably going to unplug a bit from the Oilers if they tank another season and get McDavid.

Even though when you really think about it, by no right does any team particularly deserve a player, I feel like the Oilers extra don't deserve him

Two years ago, We all thought a team featuring Nuge, Hall, Eberle and Yakupov could be a perennial success. To a certain extent I still believe a team featuring some of those guys can reach those heights, but I feel like the conspicuous absence of a dman among that group needs to be permanently addressed over the next couple of months.

If they wait till the summer while they tank, draft McDavid, and THEN trade a forward for defensive help, I feel like that shows an organization lacking in character.

I feel like the team would rather feel like they're trying to win now, even if it costs them the next shiny teammate. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the kind of team I'd want to cheer for.
- Morris

Very well said. I'm beyond perplexed with the oilers direction. Sad to see the team in this situation.

If they make changes I'd like to see Boucher as coach and bring in a managment team that has had no affiliation with the oilers in the past whether it be previous player or management. The air has to change and it can't be recycled personel.

As for trades, with the habs playing well and certainly among teams that can contend, can see them willing to part with a few players to reinforce their wings. Edm would be a great partner

Come on now, Sens fans don't think. If they did, they'd still all be either Habs or Leafs fans like they were before 1992...
- lumlums

LOL

If they wwanted to make a legit offer they should've offered at least B.Ryan AND M.Methot + a 1st RP. I'd still would have to think hard if that's enough.

Come on now, Sens fans don't think. If they did, they'd still all be either Habs or Leafs fans like they were before 1992...
- lumlums

Even you must see the irony in a Leaf fan making this comment.

Robin Lehner, Marc Methot and Zack Smith for Hall and Scrivens.

Oilers get their #1 goalie, a top pairing D-man, and a gritty 3rd line centre.
- maaddmike

lol no just no

LOL

If they wwanted to make a legit offer they should've offered at least B.Ryan AND M.Methot + a 1st RP. I'd still would have to think hard if that's enough.
- Barnaby36

Exactly. Hall is, in my mind, a top 3 LW in the league, and still so young. If you wanna get a guy like that, you have to pay WAY over the odds for him. Ryan is good, but not in the same class.

*Kurt Angle's theme music*

*Kurt Angel's theme music*
- laughs2907

You suck!

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LOL

If they wwanted to make a legit offer they should've offered at least B.Ryan AND M.Methot + a 1st RP. I'd still would have to think hard if that's enough.
- Barnaby36

I disagree. Lehner would be the key piece. He will be a starting goalie for the next 10 years. If Edmonton wants to turn things around that is the first thing they need to address.

Even you must see the irony in a Leaf fan making this comment.
- maaddmike

Not at all.

Real fans stick with their teams regardless of how good or bad they are

I disagree. Lehner would be the key piece. He will be a starting goalie for the next 10 years. If Edmonton wants to turn things around that is the first thing they need to address.
- maaddmike

Would you give up B.Ryan/Methot and a 1st RP for Taylor Hall? The price would be similar to this. You have to pay to make things work

Or you could make it B.Ryan/Lehner and a 2nd RP.

Exactly. Hall is, in my mind, a top 3 LW in the league, and still so young. If you wanna get a guy like that, you have to pay WAY over the odds for him. Ryan is good, but not in the same class.
- lumlums

I don't see why a scoring winger like Ryan would be what they want back for Hall. They need to fix things like weak goaltending, weak defense, lack of grit and work ethic. Trading a scoring winger to bring back a scoring winger isn't going to help with that.

Their problem is they have a pile of young, one dimensional offensive forwards. They need to move at least one of those guys to fix their holes.

I disagree. Lehner would be the key piece. He will be a starting goalie for the next 10 years. If Edmonton wants to turn things around that is the first thing they need to address.
- maaddmike

He's got talent but he's still not proven. His NHL totals so far represent no upgrade on Scrivens (despite having more talent), and projecting young goalies is a crapshoot. Everybody thought that Markstrom was going to be a star, but now he's Richarding around down in the AHL after every team passed on the chance to grab him on waivers...

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- AdamFrench

You're my soulmate.

I meant to say Kurt Angle though... Oops!

I don't see why a scoring winger like Ryan would be what they want back for Hall. They need to fix things like weak goaltending, weak defense, lack of grit and work ethic. Trading a scoring winger to bring back a scoring winger isn't going to help with that.

Their problem is they have a pile of young, one dimensional offensive forwards. They need to move at least one of those guys to fix their holes.
- maaddmike

You don't move you LEADER for spare parts and leave the offense aside either. BTW the Oil need good d-men like Methot too.

B.Ryan/M.Methot/1st RP or B.Ryan/R.Lehner/2nd RP.

I don't see why a scoring winger like Ryan would be what they want back for Hall. They need to fix things like weak goaltending, weak defense, lack of grit and work ethic. Trading a scoring winger to bring back a scoring winger isn't going to help with that.

Their problem is they have a pile of young, one dimensional offensive forwards. They need to move at least one of those guys to fix their holes.
- maaddmike

True, I mentioned Ryan as a) the other chap did, and b) he's arguably Ottawa's best (most talented) player. To be honest I don't see many guys on the Sens who would give the Oilers what they need, and certainly not at the cost of Taylor Hall.

Is anyone really that surprised?

You can have a Justin Schultz or Jordan EBerle psy-footing it around out there IF you have an experienced core to fill the holes they create.

You can have a Taylor Hall taking too many selfish one-on-twos IF you have an experienced core to fill the hole that he creates.

You can slot in a promising rookie Centerman like Leon IF you have an experienced set of wingers to soften his missed defensive assignments.

You can have a defense of 6 men that are 3or4 slot defensemen IF you have a responsible group of forwards to pick up the slack.

You can have a good but not great 'tender IF the whole team buys in defensively and limits the high percentage shots he gets.

Most teams have one or two of these issues and they eventually carry their young guys through their system. Edmonton has THEM ALL. WTF? To me it is almost like Lowe and MacT don't realize what Huddy, Simpson, Hunter, McLelland, Graves, Buchberger, Muni, Gregg, Tikannen, Lumley, etc. did for the Oilers of the 80s. It's like they think Messier and Gretzky did it all. I'm starting to think the current OIlers GM just doesn't "get it".

He's got talent but he's still not proven. His NHL totals so far represent no upgrade on Scrivens (despite having more talent), and projecting young goalies is a crapshoot. Everybody thought that Markstrom was going to be a star, but now he's Richarding around down in the AHL after every team passed on the chance to grab him on waivers...
- lumlums

I think Ottawa would be very reluctant to trade Lehner. It would take a guy like Hall to do it. He was a high draft pick. He carried a team to an AHL championship. He has a .930 save percentage this year and is getting better.

I agree he has never been a proven #1 in the NHL yet but I see him as a very big upgrade over Scrivens. But who knows, I could be over valuing him. But I think Ottawa has him marked in pen to be their starter beginning next season and it would take a big deal for them to even consider moving him. They would trade Anderson before they would trade Lehner.

Nuge would THRIVE as a #2 C.
ARcobello is not an NHL player
Leon is in over his head with expectations.
Gordon is a stud. I think he's aged 5yrs since October. I wish we could clone him 11times.
HUGE issues at C

Every forward in the top6 (and more) are 80%offense 20%defense. With the exception of Hall and Yakupov, the whole group of forwards are guys that play amazingly well IF they play with a player that pushes the play and creates space FOR THEM. We have no real players that take it on themselves.
BIG issues on the wings

I really don't think the D is that terrible (let the roasting begin). The whole team has to play D and they don't. I've seen Ray Bourque and Nik Lidstrom both get hung out to dry many times, and I"m sure they would on this team where not only is it a 3on2, but a comfortable 3on2..i.e. no forwards even coming back to help. So much of the D relies on the Center coming back to fill, and the wingers doing their part as well. Every Dman that has played for EDM in the last 8yrs will likely tell you that they were alone, many nights....zero help from the forwards. When I look at the Dmen that looked shty in EDM that are elsewhere right now....guess what? They're not so bad...because they have the proper structure in front of them.

Goalie - see above. I think it's the same as the D to a large extent. It seems that this cry for Chabot's head has some merit, Goalies regress in EDM it seems. But they have no help. no help at all.

Is anyone really that surprised?

You can have a Justin Schultz or Jordan EBerle psy-footing it around out there IF you have an experienced core to fill the holes they create.

You can have a Taylor Hall taking too many selfish one-on-twos IF you have an experienced core to fill the hole that he creates.

You can slot in a promising rookie Centerman like Leon IF you have an experienced set of wingers to soften his missed defensive assignments.

You can have a defense of 6 men that are 3or4 slot defensemen IF you have a responsible group of forwards to pick up the slack.

You can have a good but not great 'tender IF the whole team buys in defensively and limits the high percentage shots he gets.

Most teams have one or two of these issues and they eventually carry their young guys through their system. Edmonton has THEM ALL. WTF? To me it is almost like Lowe and MacT don't realize what Huddy, Simpson, Hunter, McLelland, Graves, Buchberger, Muni, Gregg, Tikannen, Lumley, etc. did for the Oilers of the 80s. It's like they think Messier and Gretzky did it all. I'm starting to think the current OIlers GM just doesn't "get it".
- JLO961

Good post... 100% true

How about this then:

Lehner, Methot, Stone and a 2nd.

Nuge would THRIVE as a #2 C.
ARcobello is not an NHL player
Leon is in over his head with expectations.
Gordon is a stud. I think he's aged 5yrs since October. I wish we could clone him 11times.
HUGE issues at C

Every forward in the top6 (and more) are 80%offense 20%defense. With the exception of Hall and Yakupov, the whole group of forwards are guys that play amazingly well IF they play with a player that pushes the play and creates space FOR THEM. We have no real players that take it on themselves.
BIG issues on the wings

I really don't think the D is that terrible (let the roasting begin). The whole team has to play D and they don't. I've seen Ray Bourque and Nik Lidstrom both get hung out to dry many times, and I"m sure they would on this team where not only is it a 3on2, but a comfortable 3on2..i.e. no forwards even coming back to help. So much of the D relies on the Center coming back to fill, and the wingers doing their part as well. Every Dman that has played for EDM in the last 8yrs will likely tell you that they were alone, many nights....zero help from the forwards. When I look at the Dmen that looked shty in EDM that are elsewhere right now....guess what? They're not so bad...because they have the proper structure in front of them.

Goalie - see above. I think it's the same as the D to a large extent. It seems that this cry for Chabot's head has some merit, Goalies regress in EDM it seems. But they have no help. no help at all.
- JLO961

8 years into a 20 year rebuild.

I think Ottawa would be very reluctant to trade Lehner. It would take a guy like Hall to do it. He was a high draft pick. He carried a team to an AHL championship. He has a .930 save percentage this year and is getting better.

I agree he has never been a proven #1 in the NHL yet but I see him as a very big upgrade over Scrivens. But who knows, I could be over valuing him. But I think Ottawa has him marked in pen to be their starter beginning next season and it would take a big deal for them to even consider moving him. They would trade Anderson before they would trade Lehner.
- maaddmike

I think it was obvious how much they valued him by the fact that they moved Bishop. To be honest (and it's obviously easier to say now in retrospect) they should have looked more to the future and moved Anderson; it was at a time that they were retooling and they could have gotten a better return, plus kept solid goaltending for the next decade.

How about this then:

Lehner, Methot, Stone and a 2nd.
- maaddmike

For what?