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Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Nov 25 @ 3:06 PM ET
Ryan you touched on a really interesting point here: players padding their Corsi. You're one a bad team. You're a mediocre player. You're looking to inject some value into your play. It's interesting to think about. Players know that in many circles, Corsi is being used as the most important indicator of success after points. Some even use it before points. Wonder if that's something we will start to see.
- DoubleDown

Doubt it.

I think the thing missing from that accusation is that guys who actually get hired for a living (like the guy the oilers just hired) watch a TON of film. Despite the "watch the game nerds!" chestnut lobbed at guys like Dellow, they watch more film than anyone, be it the amateur corsi-ites or the media's most fervent corsi-deniers. They're analysts, not lobbyists.

So when Dellow sees a guy that has a great-looking Corsi but nothing to show for it, he's not going to close the book and recommend a 50% raise for the guy. He's going to see on film that the player isn't getting to good areas and is simply chucking up prayers. Mitigating circumstances are certainly important to statistical analysis.

And besides, if taking a bunch of low-percentage shots tangibly effected high impact chances the other way, it would show up in the numbers too. Low-percentage shots are probably value-neutral (or a slight positive). After all, Corsi is a proxy for possession, not how close you are to scoring.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Nov 25 @ 3:08 PM ET
thing i love? when a team has a Fenwick of 49 and they suck but the team with 51 is a really solid possession team. really? those 2 extra shot attempts per game tell you that much? i buy into those stats more on the extremes. when a team like LA is at 55%, ya that's really f-n good. but for the teams in that 48-52 range? wtf is the major difference, really?
- DoubleDown

Yeah, people who act like the Oilers being a break-even team is. It doesn't really square with what we're seeing on the ice, but the "regression" we're "expecting" isn't going to vault them into 1st place or anything. They're a 30th place team that you might expect to be 15th-25th all things being equal
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Nov 25 @ 3:11 PM ET
suggested on the other blog, bumped for visibility:

Do you think we could send Nikitin and a small sweetner (3rd/4th/equivalent prospect) for Upsall? Clears cap and he's done after this year. Would rather see him with Drai and Yak if we've gotten to the point where Gaz is a 3rd liner.
Beatle_john
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Corner of Kirk Maclean's Toe and Robert Reichel's face.
Joined: 01.09.2006

Nov 25 @ 3:12 PM ET
Ryan,

You make many good points. You clearly have a good grasp on the situation. That being said, never use the imagery of a plane crash if you want to be taken seriously.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Nov 25 @ 3:19 PM ET
Why? Seemed like a pretty realistic dissection to the Oilers season to date. It truly is amazing that the same results year after year hasn't facilitated "bold change".

It's sad that Ryan has basically outlined what an alcoholic has to go through before they can start to heal & that's admit what reality is & that they have a problem. What you are asking is a sign that you want to keep drinking.

- Kevin R

Sort of easy to play hindsight.

Bold change was trading Eberle 2+ years ago . If Eberle now reportedly gets you Patrik Berglund and Steve Ott, what would he have got you then? Tough to say.

The Oilers need Bold (Good) Moves and only get a few chances to get them right. They dithered too long, no arguments here but hindsight would have one believe that there were handouts galore the Oilers completely ignored up until now.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Nov 25 @ 3:24 PM ET
Problems of talent (in the right areas) persist on this team.

However it's a tad revisionist to claim that MacT hasn't done near everything in his power to change the culture of the team.

- Changed over all but 6 players on the roster
- Hired a new Coach
- Named a new Captain
- He can't fire his boss or buy the team from his owner.

My one-minute analysis: winning cures all. Find the guys that'll mechanically help the team win. Pay the necessary price. POOF! MAGIC! The team has confidence and fire.
Ryan Garner
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 10.26.2006

Nov 25 @ 3:46 PM ET
Wouldn't a winless five-game homestand have five straight losses?
- jmatchett383


A lesson in reading comprehension. The Oilers closed out a five-game homestand (a stretch of five games at home) with three losses last week (meaning that from last Monday to this Monday, the time period relating to the blog, the team lost three games). Don't drink the bong water.
SmielmaN
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Belle River, ON
Joined: 05.11.2012

Nov 25 @ 3:48 PM ET
A lesson in reading comprehension. The Oilers closed out a five-game homestand (a stretch of five games at home) with three losses last week (meaning that from last Monday to this Monday, the time period relating to the blog, the team lost three games). Don't drink the bong water.
- Ryan Garner



Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Nov 25 @ 3:59 PM ET

Good Blog.


I've been out of Canada for a week and a half, was hoping A- the Oil had turned things around and were getting close to .500 or B- That weiner Eakins would be canned.

Coming back to this being more of a mess sucks.

Come on Oiler players, get it together for the fans.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 25 @ 4:00 PM ET
Good Blog.


I've been out of Canada for a week and a half, was hoping A- the Oil had turned things around and were getting close to .500 or B- That weiner Eakins would be canned.

Coming back to this being more of a mess sucks.

Come on Oiler players, get it together for the fans.

- Byfuglien Ate Me


Not enough fatties. Even the coach barely has like zero fat on his face, all bones.
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Nov 25 @ 4:04 PM ET
Not enough fatties. Even the coach barely has like zero fat on his face, all bones.
- Nucker101




They sure could use Penner and Bryz.

Maybe Patty O'Sullivan and Marc Andre Bergeron as well to bring up the work ethic and lead by example...
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 25 @ 4:06 PM ET


They sure could use Penner and Bryz.

Maybe Patty O'Sullivan and Marc Andre Bergeron as well to bring up the work ethic and lead by example...

- Byfuglien Ate Me


#BringBackWelly

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 25 @ 4:20 PM ET
A lesson in reading comprehension. The Oilers closed out a five-game homestand (a stretch of five games at home) with three losses last week (meaning that from last Monday to this Monday, the time period relating to the blog, the team lost three games). Don't drink the bong water.
- Ryan Garner


Thanks for the pompous response for my simple overlook.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Nov 25 @ 4:28 PM ET
Spec having a field day:






It'd be worth taking more seriously if it didn't smack of jealousy.
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Nov 25 @ 5:39 PM ET
A lesson in reading comprehension. The Oilers closed out a five-game homestand (a stretch of five games at home) with three losses last week (meaning that from last Monday to this Monday, the time period relating to the blog, the team lost three games). Don't drink the bong water.
- Ryan Garner



JLO961
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 01.16.2013

Nov 25 @ 6:17 PM ET
Great blog, thanks Garner! I can't think of anything that I disagree with.

"Hurray, Corsi dorks" is about the best thing I have read this year. Thanks again for that.

Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Nov 25 @ 7:20 PM ET
Ryan Garner: TWIRATOME: The Plane Has Crashed Into the Mountain
- Ryan Garner

Jesus Murphy....do I really want to read this?
OilerFan16
Edmonton Oilers
Location: SK
Joined: 07.15.2013

Nov 25 @ 7:53 PM ET
Jesus Murphy....do I really want to read this?
- Jeropotato

Don't waste your time
Mr_Clean
Location: PLAYOFFS?, MB
Joined: 08.09.2010

Nov 25 @ 8:52 PM ET
Ward says the solution for the Oilers is to trade Schultz

bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Nov 25 @ 9:04 PM ET
Ryan Garner: TWIRATOME: The Plane Has Crashed Into the Mountain
- Ryan Garner


The truth.

Well done Ryan.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Nov 25 @ 9:14 PM ET
Thanks for the pompous response for my stupid overlook.
- jmatchett383


Fixed for you.
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Nov 25 @ 10:05 PM ET
The truth.

Well done Ryan.

- bloatedmosquito

Yeah, he wasn't far off, but I guess what I don't like about Garner is that his blogs are all basically "no Sh!t Sherlock, Captain Obvious" blogs. We all know the team is (frank)ed, terrible and poopty with little hope. I don't need a reminder.
I guess I'm just a positive guy and not a fan of all the negativity when that's all there is as a fan.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Nov 25 @ 10:29 PM ET
Yeah, he wasn't far off, but I guess what I don't like about Garner is that his blogs are all basically "no Sh!t Sherlock, Captain Obvious" blogs. We all know the team is (frank)ed, terrible and poopty with little hope. I don't need a reminder.
I guess I'm just a positive guy and not a fan of all the negativity when that's all there is as a fan.

- Jeropotato

Cynicism can be true =/= all truth is cynical.
redwolf
New York Islanders
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 03.12.2013

Nov 25 @ 10:35 PM ET
Ryan Garner: TWIRATOME: The Plane Has Crashed Into the Mountain
- Ryan Garner


Can't stop shots from Center ice??
rune_74
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 01.14.2007

Nov 26 @ 12:04 AM ET
So....lost another?
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