Because I have lost faith in this team making any noise any time soon. I want to look into the future. Not trying to make the playoffs en route to another 1st rd exit.
- GOA88

None of what I discussed is about just this year. It's about the future also. Coburn is what 29? He can play another 8 years.

You never do know. But I'd rather them deal with a plan in mind. I'm not against moving Coburn, but I think he (or a similar player) could be invaluable to our (hopefully) young future grouping.

Right now, the only players that fit that bill are Coburn, L. Schenn, and AMac. Unless they acquire a different vet on a multi-year deal, Amac/Schenn are they players the Flyers would have to help the young kids if Coburn is dealt. Do you like that scenario?
- jmatchett383

My thinking of moving Coburn and Read is more to the fact I think they can bring in building blocks to speed up our retooling. They still have a vet in MacDonald and they probably won't move all the vet defenders. I just think Coburn and Read could bring in a very solid package and picks.

Yes Coburn and Read have value to us but they could bring in significant pieces from a playioff team at the TDL. Also Read and Coburn are both geting close to that 30 age. I know 30 isn't what it used to be but the age will be a factor.

I am not saying they should be dumped but a package where you get 1st rounder, high end prospect then I seriously think about it. I just think this is the year where the Flyers can sell at the TDL and really add pieces instead of moving 2nd and 3rd rounders for medicore defenders

Umberger, VLC, VDV he's got the pick of the litter!
- PLindbergh31

That haas turned me into anti berube guy... What the fukety (frank) is he thinking with that?!

Because I have lost faith in this team making any noise any time soon. I want to look into the future. Not trying to make the playoffs en route to another 1st rd exit.
- GOA88

Coburn can help in the future. I think we're looking at one of Grossmann or LSchenn being gone sooner rather than later, and the other's contract will be up after next season. Streit's deal expires the year after that. There'll be enough turnover the next couple seasons to get young/new blood in the lineup.

There's no rush to trade Coburn (unless you like the idea of Grossmann and MacDonald matching up with Tavares, Crosby, etc.). There's still two trade deadlines left before his current deal is up.

I would prefer to keep him unless the Flyers are out of contention and get a great offer, or his contract demands are silly.

Coburn can help in the future. I think we're looking at one of Grossmann or LSchenn being gone sooner rather than later, and the other's contract will be up after next season. Streit's deal expires the year after that. There'll be enough turnover the next couple seasons to get young/new blood in the lineup.
- BulliesPhan87

I'd keep g-Mann

That haas turned me into anti berube guy... What the fukety (frank) is he thinking with that?!
- JoeRussomanno

I think Berube is just a place holder. There is no way he's there long term. Giving Umberger PP time is comical.

There's no rush to trade Coburn (unless you like the idea of Grossmann and MacDonald matching up with Tavares, Crosby, etc.). There's still two trade deadlines left before his current deal is up.

I would prefer to keep him unless the Flyers are out of contention and get a great offer, or his contract demands are silly.
- Feanor

Yep

Cap space isn't going to be a big deal. It's great that MacDonald has multiple years left on his deal. He's a quality #3 puck moving two way defenseman. Couturier is 21 years old. He has already been scoring at a 2nd line center level at ES in past seasons. He'll pick it up this year.
They have a strong core of forwards. And if most D prospects take until about 25 to show their potential, why are you so willing to trade Coburn
- MJL

I hear this used quite often as a defense for him. Fact is he only has a career high 39 pts. He is inept on the PP and he rarely ever seems dangerous in the OFF zone. He is flat!

On the other hand I feel he has potential to be better, he needs to get faster though. He already is great defensively.

My thinking of moving Coburn and Read is more to the fact I think they can bring in building blocks to speed up our retooling. They still have a vet in MacDonald and they probably won't move all the vet defenders. I just think Coburn and Read could bring in a very solid package and picks.

Yes Coburn and Read have value to us but they could bring in significant pieces from a playioff team at the TDL. Also Read and Coburn are both geting close to that 30 age. I know 30 isn't what it used to be but the age will be a factor.

I am not saying they should be dumped but a package where you get 1st rounder, high end prospect then I seriously think about it. I just think this is the year where the Flyers can sell at the TDL and really add pieces instead of moving 2nd and 3rd rounders for medicore defenders
- J35Bacher

Read is a player that has far more value to the Flyers, then he would have on the trade market.

Here is my view on trading Coburn. Defenseman are at a premium. There isn't much movement with defenseman for a few reasons. One, teams are unwilling to move them because of how hard they are to get. And if they are being offered, the price is outrageous. It's sort of a catch 22 road block in defenseman being moved. About the only way you see defenseman being available, is those that make it to free agency. Which is less and less every year. And teams that are forced to move a player due to cap issues.

So if someone wanted to drastically overpay the Flyers in a deal that they can't pass up. Then trade him. But don't trade him because he's the best trade chip. He's too valuable for that.

I think Berube is just a place holder. There is no way he's there long term. Giving Umberger PP time is comical.
- PLindbergh31

They're better off healthy scratching him all year and as someone else said playing Rosehill for (frank)s sake... My god scratch Vinny too and play akeson

I'd keep g-Mann
- JoeRussomanno

he is the team's primary source of mean faces

His face and his brother
- wilsonecho91

totally agree man!

I hear this used quite often as a defense for him. Fact is he only has a career high 39 pts.
- GOA88

You hear it because scoring at ES is bloody hard, especially when you face the toughest competition on the team.

Couturier hasn't looked good on the 2nd PP unit, but no one else has either.

he is the team's primary source of mean faces
- BulliesPhan87

No Laughton ... I met him and was scared to ask if he was who I thought he was

I hear this used quite often as a defense for him. Fact is he only has a career high 39 pts. He is inept on the PP and he rarely ever seems dangerous in the OFF zone. He is flat!

On the other hand I feel he has potential to be better, he needs to get faster though. He already is great defensively.
- GOA88

Here are some actual facts for you. His ES point total last year, was in fact 2nd line center level. Take a look at the statistics. That he put up those numbers with how he is used and deployed, is outstanding.

He does not produce on the PP, but he also doesn't play on a PP unit that as a whole produces much.
He's not going to get faster, and he doesn't need to. He's 21 years old.

They're better off healthy scratching him all year and as someone else said playing Rosehill for (frank)s sake... My god scratch Vinny too and play akeson
- JoeRussomanno

I wouldn't have an issue scratching both of them. I wouldn't want to play Rosehill though. Akeson isn't going to get a chance here. Going with 7 dmen instead of letting him play basically has sealed his fate. I'm hoping they waive him and he catches on with another team and becomes a 20 goal scorer just to stick it up Berube's ass. The guy is so stubborn it's ridiculous.

None of what I discussed is about just this year. It's about the future also. Coburn is what 29? He can play another 8 years.
- MJL

That is your opinion. This is a young league now. Players 30 and up have less value in this league nowadays. Look at Lecavalier... Possibly a future HOF'er and he is only 34 and he cant keep up with this league anymore.

I remember the issues with lavy when the team struggled, and now berube, it seems like berube is bizarro lavy

Here are some actual facts for you. His ES point total last year, was in fact 2nd line center level. Take a look at the statistics. That he put up those numbers with how he is used and deployed, is outstanding.

He does not produce on the PP, but he also doesn't play on a PP unit that as a whole produces much.
He's not going to get faster, and he doesn't need to. He's 21 years old.
- MJL

He is literally almost as slow as Vinny. I dont even want to imagine how slow he is when he is Vinny's age.

No Laughton ... I met him and was scared to ask if he was who I thought he was
- JoeRussomanno

slap those two guys on the cover of next year's program, our season tagline can be "VENGEANCE INTIMIDATION NOW"

I think Berube is just a place holder. There is no way he's there long term. Giving Umberger PP time is comical.
- PLindbergh31

Umberger just needs to get goin

That is your opinion. This is a young league now. Players 30 and up have less value in this league nowadays. Look at Lecavalier... Possibly a future HOF'er and he is only 34 and he cant keep up with this league anymore.
- GOA88

So you're saying that defenseman in today's game don't regularly play into their mid to upper 30's?

I wouldn't have an issue scratching both of them. I wouldn't want to play Rosehill though. Akeson isn't going to get a chance here. Going with 7 dmen instead of letting him play basically has sealed his fate. I'm hoping they waive him and he catches on with another team and becomes a 20 goal scorer just to stick it up Berube's ass. The guy is so stubborn it's ridiculous.
- PLindbergh31

I just want someone who can play ... Berube has "picked the hill he dies on" well ok Craig nice knowing ya... Pretty (frank)ing dumb to end your head coaching career that way

So you're saying that defenseman in today's game don't regularly play into their mid to upper 30's?
- MJL

It is more rare now in this league than it was in the 90's. The times have changed. It is all about speed now.