I think we all want to puke when Jackson and clement are teamed up.
- Just5

Yea it is tough for me to watch those games

Holmgren acquired Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couturier, Raffl, Laughton, Read, B Schenn. And top prospects Gostisbehere, Morin, and Haag that everyone is excited about. And some solid defenseman in Coburn, Grossmann, Streit, and MacDonald.
Where is all the damage? That this team is woefully underachieving, is not the fault of Holmgren.
- MJL

Why didnt you list Pronger hartnell timonen L schenn carcillo vinny Briere kubina gagne downie talbot bob mason z2 z1 jvr parent or emery?

uh i thought clarke drafted giroux... also... he made good moves, then made serious blunders, the team is pile of steaming poop comprised of 99.9 % of the players homer acquired and coach he hired.
- JoeRussomanno

Holmgren ran the draft. Clarke couldn't remember his name. They aren't a good team right now. But there is still lots of talent on this team. The current state of the team is not the fault of Holmgren. Player after player is struggling. They should be a lot better.

Why didnt you list Pronger hartnell timonen L schenn carcillo vinny Briere kubina gagne downie talbot bob mason z2 z1 jvr parent or emery?
- Just5

Forgot about Mason.

The list is not every single player ever acquired!

Right now, they would pick no worse than sixth in the draft

That is unbelievable to me -- I'm truly stunned at what has happened in the last 10 days

Why didnt you list Pronger hartnell timonen L schenn carcillo vinny Briere kubina gagne downie talbot bob mason z2 z1 jvr parent or emery?
- Just5

no love for matt walker?

Right now, they would pick no worse than sixth in the draft

That is unbelievable to me -- I'm truly stunned at what has happened in the last 10 days
- AllInForFlyers

if youre not first you're last

if youre not first you're last
- JoeRussomanno

Not in the draft Joe!

if youre not first you're last
- JoeRussomanno

Ha! They are playing every bit as bad as a Top 3 picking team, that is for sure

Not in the draft Joe!

- MJL

tell that to ricky bobby's dad

Why didnt you list Pronger hartnell timonen L schenn carcillo vinny Briere kubina gagne downie talbot bob mason z2 z1 jvr parent or emery?
- Just5

Goodpoint hansel

if youre not first you're last
- JoeRussomanno

Yeah ricky bobby

tell that to ricky bobby's dad
- JoeRussomanno

Just look ahead sir.

Noah Hanifin (D, Boston College)
Oliver Kylington (D, Farjestads BK)
Pavel Zacha (LW, C - Sarnia Sting)
Mitch Marner (C. London Knights)
Dylan Strome (C, Erie)
Jérémy Roy (D, Sherbrooke Phoenix)
Mathew Barzal (C, Seattle Thunderbirds)
Paul Bittner (LW, Portland Winterhawks)
Lawson Crouse (LW, Kingston Frontenacs)
Yevgeni Svechnikov (LW, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles)
Mikko Rantanen (RW, TPS Turku)
Daniel Sprong (RW, Charlottetown Islanders)
Nikita Korostelev (RW, Sarnia Sting)
Jansen Harkins (C, Prince George Cougars)
Ivan Provorov (D, Brandon Wheat Kings)
Travis Konecny (C, Ottawa 67's)
MacKenzie Blackwood (G, Barrie Colts)
Nicolas Meloche (D, Baie-Comeau Drakkar)
Jordan Greenway (LW, USNDT/Boston University)
Nicolas Roy (C, Chicoutimi Sagueneens)
Pavel Karnaukhov (C, Calgary Hitmen)
Brandon Carlo (D, Tri City Americans)
Daniel Vladar (G, Kladno)
Ryan Pilon (D, Brandon Wheat Kings)
Jakub Zboril (D, Saint John Seadogs)
Rasmus Andersson (D, Malmo)
Adam Musil (D, Red Deer Rebels)
Ryan Gropp (LW, Seattle Thunderbirds)
Blake Speers (C, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds)
Matthew Spencer (D, Peterborough Petes)
Brett McKenzie (C, North Bay Battalion)
Hayden McCool (C, Niagara Ice Dogs)

Yea it is tough for me to watch those games
- TPC

Go J oFf to Michaleaklletti

the damage homer did to this team, its amazing hes still employed with this team
- JoeRussomanno

Homer has made some good deals, no question. But...

- Let us not forget the Bryzgalov debacle and subsequently trading Bobo,
- the LSchenn for JVR deal,
- Versteeg for a 1st and a 3rd (then trade him quickly away for a 2nd and a 3rd - savvy moves),
- Modry and Kubina for a 2nd, 3rd, and a 4th,
- Upshall and a 2nd for Carcillo,
- backed up against the cap wall necessitating moving Gagne for Walker and a 4th,
- and please let us not mention the Eminger move (please, please don't ever mention the Eminger move).

And then there's the Vinny contract and the AMac deal. Gifts that will keep on giving for the next several years.

Homer has made some good deals, no question. But...

- Let us not forget the Bryzgalov debacle and subsequently trading Bobo,
- the LSchenn for JVR deal,
- Versteeg for a 1st and a 3rd (then trade him quickly away for a 2nd and a 3rd - savvy moves),
- Modry and Kubina for a 2nd, 3rd, and a 4th,
- Upshall and a 2nd for Carcillo,
- backed up against the cap wall necessitating moving Gagne for Walker and a 4th,
- and please let us not mention the Eminger move (please, please don't ever mention the Eminger move).d

And then there's the Vinny contract and the AMac deal. Gifts that will keep on giving for the next several years.
- 77rams

My head hurts from reading that, not the breaker whiskey I am drinking. Wow homer, just awful. So damn embarrassing

My head hurts from reading that, not the breaker whiskey I am drinking. Wow homer, just awful. So damn embarrassing
- CACannon18

Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow

Bill did you??

Did anyone else see in the 3rd period, down 4-2, and the 2nd line got Lundquist to freeze it, then berube changed lines, and before the drop, berube looked like he was yelling at Simmonds on the bench, and Simmonds shook his head and waived him off (basically F U coach)? I was at the game and saw it very clearly, but not sure if it was caught on TV.

Flyers turning into the Oilers East.

Homer has made some good deals, no question. But...

- Let us not forget the Bryzgalov debacle and subsequently trading Bobo,
- the LSchenn for JVR deal,
- Versteeg for a 1st and a 3rd (then trade him quickly away for a 2nd and a 3rd - savvy moves),
- Modry and Kubina for a 2nd, 3rd, and a 4th,
- Upshall and a 2nd for Carcillo,
- backed up against the cap wall necessitating moving Gagne for Walker and a 4th,
- and please let us not mention the Eminger move (please, please don't ever mention the Eminger move).

And then there's the Vinny contract and the AMac deal. Gifts that will keep on giving for the next several years.
- 77rams

He was the GM of the team for 7 seasons. Every GM is going to have blemishes on his record. And just because you think the MacDonald deal is a bad deal, doesn't make it one. Not to mention that your list omits a lot of factors in why some deals were made. Such as the Upshall deal. And deals such as the Gagne deal was a choice. And Walker was easily buried in the minors. And it allowed the Flyers to make the moves they want to make. Some fans have never grasped that certain types of moves are necessary with a salary cap. It's what the cap is all about. And what it's supposed to do.
As if a team all of a suddenly wakes up and they're up against the cap. As if they weren't counting cap dollars as they went along, and they said oh crap, we're up against the cap! If and when a team is up against the cap, it's because they willingly put themselves there.

Just look ahead sir.

Noah Hanifin (D, Boston College)
Oliver Kylington (D, Farjestads BK)
Pavel Zacha (LW, C - Sarnia Sting)
Mitch Marner (C. London Knights)
Dylan Strome (C, Erie)
Jérémy Roy (D, Sherbrooke Phoenix)
Mathew Barzal (C, Seattle Thunderbirds)
Paul Bittner (LW, Portland Winterhawks)
Lawson Crouse (LW, Kingston Frontenacs)
Yevgeni Svechnikov (LW, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles)
Mikko Rantanen (RW, TPS Turku)
Daniel Sprong (RW, Charlottetown Islanders)
Nikita Korostelev (RW, Sarnia Sting)
Jansen Harkins (C, Prince George Cougars)
Ivan Provorov (D, Brandon Wheat Kings)
Travis Konecny (C, Ottawa 67's)
MacKenzie Blackwood (G, Barrie Colts)
Nicolas Meloche (D, Baie-Comeau Drakkar)
Jordan Greenway (LW, USNDT/Boston University)
Nicolas Roy (C, Chicoutimi Sagueneens)
Pavel Karnaukhov (C, Calgary Hitmen)
Brandon Carlo (D, Tri City Americans)
Daniel Vladar (G, Kladno)
Ryan Pilon (D, Brandon Wheat Kings)
Jakub Zboril (D, Saint John Seadogs)
Rasmus Andersson (D, Malmo)
Adam Musil (D, Red Deer Rebels)
Ryan Gropp (LW, Seattle Thunderbirds)
Blake Speers (C, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds)
Matthew Spencer (D, Peterborough Petes)
Brett McKenzie (C, North Bay Battalion)
Hayden McCool (C, Niagara Ice Dogs)
- ob18

it was a joke.... sigh

He was the GM of the team for 7 seasons. Every GM is going to have blemishes on his record. And just because you think the MacDonald deal is a bad deal, doesn't make it one. Not to mention that your list omits a lot of factors in why some deals were made. Such as the Upshall deal. And deals such as the Gagne deal was a choice. And Walker was easily buried in the minors. And it allowed the Flyers to make the moves they want to make. Some fans have never grasped that certain types of moves are necessary with a salary cap. It's what the cap is all about. And what it's supposed to do.
- MJL

i think, if he thinks the macdonald deal was bad then it was.

Homer has made some good deals, no question. But...

- Let us not forget the Bryzgalov debacle and subsequently trading Bobo,
- the LSchenn for JVR deal,
- Versteeg for a 1st and a 3rd (then trade him quickly away for a 2nd and a 3rd - savvy moves),
- Modry and Kubina for a 2nd, 3rd, and a 4th,
- Upshall and a 2nd for Carcillo,
- backed up against the cap wall necessitating moving Gagne for Walker and a 4th,
- and please let us not mention the Eminger move (please, please don't ever mention the Eminger move).

And then there's the Vinny contract and the AMac deal. Gifts that will keep on giving for the next several years.
- 77rams

thats like beating cancer then getting hooked on meth

i think, if he thinks the macdonald deal was bad then it was.
- JoeRussomanno

So if I think the Voracek deal is bad, or the Simmonds deal is bad, then it was? Where is the logic there?

So if I think the Voracek deal is bad, or the Simmonds deal is bad, then it was? Where is the logic there?
- MJL

maybe