Couturier is a good defensive player but you can get a guy like Dominic Moore or Brian Boyle to shutdown the opposing team's top players and play on the PK. If you can move Couturier now for an elite player and then fill his 3C/PK hole with a defensively responsible player in next year's FA class or through the draft then I think that you're a better team overall.
- rangerdanger94

I'd rate Cooter higher than Moore or Boyle. Having said that, I would send Coots in a package for the right number 1 dman.

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Tanner Glass has mumps; sent away from team.

I'd rate Cooter higher than Moore or Boyle. Having said that, I would send Coots in a package for the right number 1 dman.
- Hextall271

Coots is obviously a better player. All I'm saying is that if your argument to not trade Coots for a top-6 30+ goal scorer is that he's a good shutdown center, then I think you should still consider that you can replace a shutdown center albeit with a lesser player more easily than you could acquire a 30+ goal scorer who's 24 years young.

Woah, anyone see everyone's favorite writer Randy Miller's 3 Flyers blockbuster trades to save the season?

1. Matt Read for Adam Larsson
2. Brayden Schenn, Luke Schenn, and Robert Hagg for David Perron and Justin Schultz
3. Braydon Coburn to LA for cap space and a draft pick, perhaps a 2015 2nd rounder

http://www.nj.com/flyers/...ils_for_adam_larsson.html

This should get interesting...
- five4fighting10

My god.. those are terrible trade options. unless we want to tank.

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Tanner Glass has mumps; sent away from team.
- BulliesPhan87

Yessssss

Bill,
Since west coast games are so past my bed time, I really know nothing about Perron. Who would you compare him to in former Flyer lore, stylistically speaking.
- section32

Think a bigger Kris Versteeg, with a dusting of jam, and a history of major injury.

Woah, anyone see everyone's favorite writer Randy Miller's 3 Flyers blockbuster trades to save the season?

1. Matt Read for Adam Larsson
2. Brayden Schenn, Luke Schenn, and Robert Hagg for David Perron and Justin Schultz
3. Braydon Coburn to LA for cap space and a draft pick, perhaps a 2015 2nd rounder

http://www.nj.com/flyers/...ils_for_adam_larsson.html

This should get interesting...
- five4fighting10

No to all of them

‏@rangersreport · 17s18 seconds ago
Dan Boyle (flu) is out; John Moore in; Lundqvist in goal.

Nooooooooo

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Tanner Glass has mumps; sent away from team.
- BulliesPhan87

Can he come and hang out with Umberger and VLC?

Think a bigger Kris Versteeg, with a dusting of jam, and a history of major injury.
- Tomahawk

mmmmm jam

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Tanner Glass has mumps; sent away from team.
- BulliesPhan87

/prays Umby, AMac and Vinny contract permanent mumps.

Coots is obviously a better player. All I'm saying is that if your argument to not trade Coots for a top-6 30+ goal scorer is that he's a good shutdown center, then I think you should still consider that you can replace a shutdown center albeit with a lesser player more easily than you could acquire a 30+ goal scorer who's 24 years young.
- rangerdanger94

I'd always consider it. Although we've been terrible offensively of late, I don't think our O is as bad as it's shown. Read and others have underachieved. The real weakness on the team is our D.

‏@rangersreport · 17s18 seconds ago
Dan Boyle (flu) is out; John Moore in; Lundqvist in goal.

Nooooooooo
- rangerdanger94

pfft.. so you guys beat us 3-0 instead of 5-0.. big deal.

Can he come and hang out with Umberger and VLC?
- BiggE

Whatever umberger and VLC have is much worse than the mumps

I'd always consider it. Although we've been terrible offensively of late, I don't think our O is as bad as it's shown. Read and others have underachieved. The real weakness on the team is our D.
- Hextall271

What hell is going on with Simmonds?

If you think he is going to be your number 2 Center 13 goals is not a good starting point. Ranger just makes a good point about his potential and from what we have seen from him so far I think he will be a great 3rd line center in this league.
- Daceroni

Lets look at some facts, because it seems that some are unaware of them, such as the Rangers fan, who you say makes a good point.

First of all, we have to look at Couturier's deployment as a player. Last year, he was used in a very high level of defensive zone starts, one of the highest percentages in the entire league, and against top lines. Which is a detriment to offensive production in and of it's own.

But he still managed to put 31 points in ES play. Compare that to other players on the team, who played in far more favorable offensive situations. Voracek had 39 ES points. Simmonds had 36 ES points, Read had 34, Hartnell and B Schenn had 32 ES points. Considering the usage and who he played against on a regular basis. Pretty strong ES point totals for Couturier. And absolutely shows that he has potential to be more then a 3rd line shutdown center, because despite that deployment, he has already put up 2nd line ES point totals. So let's look at that factually.

There are 30 teams in the League. 4 regular centers on a team in the lineup. Couturier ranked 51st in the League among all centers, in ES points last year. That is 2nd line center numbers. And then look at the list of centers he was comparable to in ES points. In the ball park with a lot of quality players.

Couturier hasn't been a good PP point producer, which is why his point totals overall, are lower.

The bottom line is, that anyone stating that Couturier has not shown signs of being more then a 3rd line shutdown center, is misinformed.

and the more he gets fed the longer he'll stay
- -davies-

🗿

/prays Umby, AMac and Vinny contract permanent mumps.
- Tomahawk

"Don't go away sick, just go away."

trade coots for subban

Couturier is a good defensive player but you can get a guy like Dominic Moore or Brian Boyle to shutdown the opposing team's top players and play on the PK. If you can move Couturier now for an elite player and then fill his 3C/PK hole with a defensively responsible player in next year's FA class or through the draft then I think that you're a better team overall.
- rangerdanger94

Couturier is far more then that. Are Moore and Boyle also 21 years old, with the potential to get a lot better and develop further as a player? Or is that not part of the equation?

Lets look at some facts, because it seems that some are unaware of them, such as the Rangers fan, who you say makes a good point.

First of all, we have to look at Couturier's deployment as a player. Last year, he was used in a very high level of defensive zone starts, one of the highest percentages in the entire league, and against top lines. Which is a detriment to offensive production in and of it's own.

But he still managed to put 31 points in ES play. Compare that to other players on the team, who played in far more favorable offensive situations. Voracek had 39 ES points. Simmonds had 36 ES points, Read had 34, Hartnell and B Schenn had 32 ES points. Considering the usage and who he played against on a regular basis. Pretty strong ES point totals for Couturier. And absolutely shows that he has potential to be more then a 3rd line shutdown center, because despite that deployment, he has already put up 2nd line ES point totals. So let's look at that factually.

There are 30 teams in the League. 4 regular centers on a team in the lineup. Couturier ranked 51st in the League among all centers, in ES points last year. That is 2nd line center numbers. And then look at the list of centers he was comparable to in ES points. In the ball park with a lot of quality players.

Couturier hasn't been a good PP point producer, which is why his point totals overall, are lower.

The bottom line is, that stating anyone stating that Couturier has not shown signs of being more then a 3rd line shutdown center, is misinformed.
- MJL

So would you trade Couturier for Eberle or no?

🗿
- Marc D

you calling me a square



/truculence

What hell is going on with Simmonds?
- rangerdanger94

That's another player whose been invisible. I wish I knew. He started off incredibly well and then has severely cooled off. Part of the problem IMO is that Berube has shuffled shuffled shuffled the lines.. No way for anyone to create any chemistry.

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- BulliesPhan87

Flyers should trade for him immediately and have him bunk with VLC and Turdburger!

Way Leight.

Lets look at some facts, because it seems that some are unaware of them, such as the Rangers fan, who you say makes a good point.

First of all, we have to look at Couturier's deployment as a player. Last year, he was used in a very high level of defensive zone starts, one of the highest percentages in the entire league, and against top lines. Which is a detriment to offensive production in and of it's own.

But he still managed to put 31 points in ES play. Compare that to other players on the team, who played in far more favorable offensive situations. Voracek had 39 ES points. Simmonds had 36 ES points, Read had 34, Hartnell and B Schenn had 32 ES points. Considering the usage and who he played against on a regular basis. Pretty strong ES point totals for Couturier. And absolutely shows that he has potential to be more then a 3rd line shutdown center, because despite that deployment, he has already put up 2nd line ES point totals. So let's look at that factually.

There are 30 teams in the League. 4 regular centers on a team in the lineup. Couturier ranked 51st in the League among all centers, in ES points last year. That is 2nd line center numbers. And then look at the list of centers he was comparable to in ES points. In the ball park with a lot of quality players.

Couturier hasn't been a good PP point producer, which is why his point totals overall, are lower.

The bottom line is, that stating anyone stating that Couturier has not shown signs of being more then a 3rd line shutdown center, is misinformed.
- MJL[/quote
coots is NO bergeron