Except Giroux had already proven his worth prior to that extension.
Couturier has pretty much gone backwards since that Pens playoff series.
Im not saying he can't go forward again just you can't compare signing Giroux to expected growth of Couturier.
- opeth_pa

That was just a little jab at Joe. Due to his current usage, and the state of the team in general, I'll give Couturier a little slack.

There was some pretty good improv going on in AC the other night.
- tangent_man

Ty

Ty
- PhillySportsGuy

Oh, yeah...you were there too, weren't you? Huh.

Oh, yeah...you were there too, weren't you? Huh.
- tangent_man

He was there more than you, especially after you moved up to your throne

They're trying to do something that is impossible to do. One player can't be isolated from his teammates. It's team data, not individual data. And I love how the author of the article linked inside of the article made up his own player rating system using the same flawed Corsi data. Laughable.

I can post links to articles also.

http://blogs.edmontonjour...-wrong-with-some-players/

Do you know what we have yet to see, in order to properly evaluate MacDonald as a player? We've yet to see the player placed in the right role, on a team that plays a solid overall team game, that supports the puck all over the ice, and plays strong team defense.
What do you think would happen with MacDonald's possession numbers if he was traded to the LA Kings, to replace Voynov?
- MJL

To dip a toe into this debate, does the bold above mean we don't need a #1 defenseman on the blueline? In other words, if individuals don't have that great of an impact on the collective known as Team, why are so many saying we lack a true #1?

Oh, yeah...you were there too, weren't you? Huh.
- tangent_man

I was the good looking one

To dip a toe into this debate, does the bold above mean we don't need a #1 defenseman on the blueline? In other words, if individuals don't have that great of an impact on the collective known as Team, why are so many saying we lack a true #1?
- wolfhounds

I think his point is that individual players can't be isolated using data. They can only be evaluated by him and Flyer scouts.

That was just a little jab at Joe. Due to his current usage, and the state of the team in general, I'll give Couturier a little slack.
- tangent_man

As will I unless we can package him for a #1 dman under 30, legit 30-40 goal scoring left winger under 30 or the number 1 or number 2 pick in this draft!

Sadly it would take substantially more then a regressing though young Couturier to get any of those.

I was the good looking one
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't think anyone could argue that point.

To dip a toe into this debate, does the bold above mean we don't need a #1 defenseman on the blueline? In other words, if individuals don't have that great of an impact on the collective known as Team, why are so many saying we lack a true #1?
- wolfhounds

we have six impactful #6 Dmen

I think his point is that individual players can't be isolated using data. They can only be evaluated by him and Flyer scouts.
- PhillySportsGuy

Fixed

I don't think anyone could argue that point.





- tangent_man

Don't worry though. When in a group of 5, it is impossible to determine individual attractiveness.

Yup, lot of open-minded, amenable and amusing people here to talk to. Usually.
- Tomahawk

Thanks for the kind welcome fellas. I appreciate it.

Fixed
- Tomahawk

As will I unless we can package him for a #1 dman under 30, legit 30-40 goal scoring left winger under 30 or the number 1 or number 2 pick in this draft!

Sadly it would take substantially more then a regressing though young Couturier to get any of those.
- opeth_pa

For the right deal, sure he's available; anyone is. I just think saying that he won't ever get better is a bit extreme

For the right deal, sure he's available; anyone is. I just think saying that he won't ever get better is a bit extreme
- tangent_man

Agreed, he has the possibility of getting better after all he is only 21 but a few more seasons like this and I think then we have to start believing we might have overvalued him.

Thanks for the kind welcome fellas. I appreciate it.
- AndrewD

That's it, you just wore out your welcome, pal. Hit the bricks!

Thanks for the kind welcome fellas. I appreciate it.
- AndrewD

/welcome

Thanks for the kind welcome fellas. I appreciate it.
- AndrewD

you will be corrupted in no time Andrew

That's it, you just wore out your welcome, pal. Hit the bricks!
- wolfhounds

I just got benched faster than Andrew MacDonald.

Don't worry though. When in a group of 5, it is impossible to determine individual attractiveness.
- PhillySportsGuy

When you have four declining 4-6 men and young 2-3 guy, it's obvious.

Does anyone else feel like this is the calm before the storm?
Like the road trip results are going to determine or perhaps "push" the next course of action.

I just got benched faster than Andrew MacDonald.
- AndrewD

Fine, we'll just call you 'Akeson'.

Agreed, he has the possibility of getting better after all he is only 21 but a few more seasons like this and I think then we have to start believing we might have overvalued him.
- opeth_pa

He was good last year considering the usage rates he was forced into. He's gotten off to a bad start this season. His ES scoring rates were average among 2nd line centers last season.

I think it's important to not overreact to a slow start. Read and Couts have been good for 3 straight years.

When you have four declining 4-6 men and young 2-3 guy, it's obvious.
- tangent_man