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isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Nov 30 @ 12:33 PM ET
So, the team is bad, or at least underachieving. We cant blame the old GM, because he made some good moves. We cant blame the new GM, because despite the rampant rumors of a probable buyout, he had no idea how bad Umberger would be. We cant blame the coach, because he can only play the guys he has. Finally, when a player gets blamed, hes not the problem or isnt a core player.

Did I get it right?

- Jsaquella

hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 30 @ 12:34 PM ET
So, the team is bad, or at least underachieving. We cant blame the old GM, because he made some good moves. We cant blame the new GM, because despite the rampant rumors of a probable buyout, he had no idea how bad Umberger would be. We cant blame the coach, because he can only play the guys he has. Finally, when a player gets blamed, hes not the problem or isnt a core player.

Did I get it right?

- Jsaquella

This is as good as its ever going to get. USSR baby!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 12:34 PM ET
I don't know if this market, (or ownership, fanbase), would allow him to be as patient as he wishes to be.
- puckhead17


That's a reasonable question. I want Hextall to make the right moves, not just any move. The Flyers in the past would make any move they could that they thought would help them win now. That's great if you win now, but if you don't. Then it can cost you.
AndrewD
Joined: 11.30.2014

Nov 30 @ 12:36 PM ET
Nice post, but you're wasting your breath on that one. His narrow personal perspective is the only valid truth he'll accept.
- Tomahawk


I noticed, honestly is he just trolling?

His response to any evidence contrary to his preconceived opinion can be summed up as

"That's impossible.... because I don't like it"

The idea that hockey being a team game precludes anyone from reasonably evaluating an individual's contribution to that team it silly. Its just a red herring because he hates the stats being used in the discussion.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 30 @ 12:38 PM ET
Because Couturier is a better player that is going to get even stronger as he matures. He's still a baby.
- MJL

he wont get much better
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Nov 30 @ 12:39 PM ET
he wont get much better
- JoeRussomanno


And Giroux wasn't going to be worth his contract extension, either.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Nov 30 @ 12:39 PM ET
Hexy has to and will do something at this point. Firing the coach might not sit well with some and a desperation trade will sit well with none. Honestly I'd start with whoever is running the PK. You can absolve Berube of a lot of blame but the PK has everything it needs to succeed and it is an absolute tire fire.
- hereticpride

Gord Murphy
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 30 @ 12:40 PM ET
MacDonald has under performed against all levels of competition, in all manner of usage. http://hockey-graphs.com/...ntext-in-the-first-place/
- AndrewD

By the way,
Welcome!
Even if the team sucks we still have the best blogger here and a knowledgeable fan base here even if we go around and around on the same stuff.
I hope you stick around.

Cheers
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Nov 30 @ 12:40 PM ET
bring Powe up he's a clearly defined role player who will work hard. Send Zac down.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Nov 30 @ 12:41 PM ET
I've been hesitant to say this but I think terry Murray could come in and breathe some life into this mess and squeeze a playoff birth then an advance a round in the playoffs if Mason could get hot but we're gonna need another capable goal scorer... Maybe simmonds or somebody can start getting consistent.
- JoeRussomanno

I will drink to this
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 12:41 PM ET
I noticed, honestly is he just trolling?

His response to any evidence contrary to his preconceived opinion can be summed up as

"That's impossible.... because I don't like it"

The idea that hockey being a team game precludes anyone from reasonably evaluating an individual's contribution to that team it silly. Its just a red herring because he hates the stats being used in the discussion.

- AndrewD


Nothing to do with what I don't like, or hate. It has to do with common sense, and a sound knowledge of the game of hockey. Where you got the idea that hockey being a team game precludes anyone from reasonably evaluating an individuals contribution to the team from, is mind boggling. What I'm against is using team numbers and arbitrarily applying them to an individual player. If we want to talk about red herrings, the article I linked to written by Staples is well thought out and well written. But you just dismissed it and post a jif of homer simpson!


JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 30 @ 12:42 PM ET
Not at all. All of them share in some of the blame. The problem comes when they get blamed for everything they've done. And the good that they've done is completely ignored. Such as the criticism you offer towards Berube. Which is pretty much every move is the wrong move.
- MJL

when the bad outweighs the good, you get blamed, period. homer's bad offsets his good and so far hextall has done more bad than good, same for berube, hence the team we see.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 12:42 PM ET
he wont get much better
- JoeRussomanno


He's 21. Why won't he get much better?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 30 @ 12:42 PM ET
I noticed, honestly is he just trolling?

His response to any evidence contrary to his preconceived opinion can be summed up as

"That's impossible.... because I don't like it"

The idea that hockey being a team game precludes anyone from reasonably evaluating an individual's contribution to that team it silly. Its just a red herring because he hates the stats being used in the discussion.

- AndrewD


He's a troll.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 30 @ 12:43 PM ET
And Giroux wasn't going to be worth his contract extension, either.
- tangent_man

i still havent decided on that.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Nov 30 @ 12:43 PM ET
when the bad outweighs the good, you get blamed, period. homer's bad offsets his good and so far hextall has done more bad than good, same for berube, hence the team we see.
- JoeRussomanno

you always have to take the bad with the worst
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 30 @ 12:43 PM ET
He's 21. Why won't he get much better?
- MJL

he hasnt improved much since he came in. i just need to see bigger steps each year.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 12:44 PM ET
when the bad outweighs the good, you get blamed, period. homer's bad offsets his good and so far hextall has done more bad than good, same for berube, hence the team we see.
- JoeRussomanno


I disagree Joe. The bad doesn't outweigh the good for any of them. As far as the NHL team is concerned, Hextall has only made a handful of moves. The two major moves are he traded for Umberger, and signed Del Zotto.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 30 @ 12:44 PM ET
bring Powe up he's a clearly defined role player who will work hard. Send Zac down.
- Pixote Andolini

christ i keep forgetting we have him at our disposal too... but lets keep rolling vinny burger
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 30 @ 12:46 PM ET
I disagree Joe. The bad doesn't outweigh the good for any of them. As far as the NHL team is concerned, Hextall has only made a handful of moves. The two major moves are he traded for Umberger, and signed Del Zotto.
- MJL

the delzotto move doesnt offset the the umberger move... im not saying we're doomed with hextall but so far his grade as gm is borderline D imo
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 30 @ 12:46 PM ET
christ i keep forgetting we have him at our disposal too... but lets keep rolling vinny burger
- JoeRussomanno


They'd have to sign him to a NHL deal, but yeah, he's around
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 12:46 PM ET
christ i keep forgetting we have him at our disposal too... but lets keep rolling vinny burger
- JoeRussomanno


Powe is not currently signed to an NHL contract.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 30 @ 12:47 PM ET
you always have to take the bad with the worst
- vejim

i see that
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Nov 30 @ 12:47 PM ET
christ i keep forgetting we have him at our disposal too... but lets keep rolling vinny burger
- JoeRussomanno


Powe is signed to an AHL contract. With a little over 1.1 to deal with, not sure they want to sign him to an NHL deal as a 4th liner.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 30 @ 12:47 PM ET
They'd have to sign him to a NHL deal, but yeah, he's around
- Jsaquella

well.... cue the jeopardy music
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