I would do it... although Richards has a scary contract
- Reveen

His contract gets less scary when you think about the money coming off the books in the next couple years Ference Nikitin etc. And if in the end Katz has to open his cheque book to pay for a buy out I'm perfectly okay with that as well

This is foolish and shows there is little you know about the team outside of what you may get from Eastern media.
- OilHorse

Ahh yes... That ol' Minnesota "eastern media" coverage has ruined me!

BTW, really enjoy how some Edmonton fans like to claim there's a certain prerequisite level of intimacy one is required to have with the team in order to know how poopty the orgnaization is.

His contract gets less scary when you think about the money coming off the books in the next couple years Ference Nikitin etc. And if in the end Katz has to open his cheque book to pay for a buy out I'm perfectly okay with that as well
- MayorMcCheese

Meh, its more the duration. What's he got left? 6 or 7 yrs? That's a lot of time for a guy who's body is breaking down. Again I would do it but its a risk

what about Perron and 3rd for Richards and King. Richards has a bit of nasty temperament and seems to be the kinda guy edm could use. I think the partying thing is behind him because god know Daryl wouldn't put up with it. I know his contract is great but what really does edm have to lose.
- Bieksa#3

pretty decent proposal right here.

he plays a position of need, can step right in etc. and king is nasty fuker too.
a guy like Richards would be key for me to deal perron cause as u say the grit etc.
which perron also has. perrons skillset is unique and not something we can just deal away. hes a board battler and a dangler. gritty and skilled. we don't have a lot of that.

have to try and make that contract work somehow though. so long. we have other guys to resign and not a ton of cash this offseason as well--even less if we make this deal.
as far as the "what have we got to lose"--not sure that's a solid reason to make a deal man...

Yeah, but I think that's the type of player edm needs
- Bieksa#3

Can't see him waiving his NMC to come to Edmonton from LA…can you?

Can't see him waiving his NMC to come to Edmonton from LA…can you?
- LeftCoaster

and there's always this to take into account when the oilers are thinking trade..........


ive heard a few people mention miller this season.
he made it clear he wouldn't come here..

Can't see him waiving his NMC to come to Edmonton from LA…can you?
- LeftCoaster

Isn't his no movement gone Ala lubomir Vishnovsky?

pretty decent proposal right here.

he plays a position of need, can step right in etc. and king is nasty fuker too.
a guy like Richards would be key for me to deal perron cause as u say the grit etc.
which perron also has. perrons skillset is unique and not something we can just deal away. hes a board battler and a dangler. gritty and skilled. we don't have a lot of that.

have to try and make that contract work somehow though. so long. we have other guys to resign and not a ton of cash this offseason as well--even less if we make this deal.
as far as the "what have we got to lose"--not sure that's a solid reason to make a deal man...




- hugefemale dog77

I get what your saying about Perron. But basically you move him or one of the big 4 up front.

Ahh yes... That ol' Minnesota "eastern media" coverage has ruined me!
- MnGump

You probably hear more from a NY/Tor slant than an Edm one.

Point is that you really don't have a clue about the Oil.

I tend to agree. MacT hasn't done a whole bunch for this team as a coach or GM aside from one cup finals run which was almost a decade ago.

Clean house, start fresh, bring in Tortarella.
- MnGump

mact was a great coach of a very low talent team.
I really liked what he did without a whole lot for some of his years.
his message got stale in the end and he moved on..it happens.

Isn't his no movement gone Ala lubomir Vishnovsky?
- Bieksa#3

Maybe? Capgeek says trade may have voided clause.

I get what your saying about Perron. But basically you move him or one of the big 4 up front.
- Bieksa#3

I trade yakupov before perron.

maybe even eberle. not saying this unequivocally, but considering value and the return etc, id consider it

I trade yakupov before perron.

maybe even eberle. not saying this unequivocally, but considering value and the return etc, id consider it
- hugefemale dog77

my thoughts as well. Eberle is really talented but him Perron and Yak are somewhat redundant; Eberle could bring a good return to change things around for the better.

You probably hear more from a NY/Tor slant than an Edm one.

Point is that you really don't have a clue about the Oil.
- OilHorse

Whether that's true or not, what more do I need to know exactly about a failing team for the last 9 seasons and counting? I'm a fan of Hockey, I follow many teams from afar and a few closely, Edmonton used to be one a followed closer than others ( I didn't have a team of my own for about 7 years). So I ask you, what more do I need to know? Exactly how intimate does one need to be with the inner-workings of a proffesional hockey organization in order to "have a clue" about them and/or speak intelligently on how good or bad they are? Do tell.

mact was a great coach of a very low talent team.
I really liked what he did without a whole lot for some of his years.
his message got stale in the end and he moved on..it happens.
- hugefemale dog77

That's fine. I guess I just don't understand why at this point Oil fans arent' just ready for an all out purge of organizational overhead?! How much longer does this garbage need to go on before the fans have finally had enough? What is there to lose at this point?

That's fine. I guess I just don't understand why at this point Oil fans arent' just ready for an all out purge of organizational overhead?! How much longer does this garbage need to go on before the fans have finally had enough? What is there to lose at this point?
- MnGump

And what would an all out purge solve? Bring in a bunch of new people who have to take the time to dissect what they feel is the issues and then make appropriate moves to rectify those deficiencies all the while we will not be improving and will still suck for another 5 years.

And what would an all out purge solve? Bring in a bunch of new people who have to take the time to dissect what they feel is the issues and then make appropriate moves to rectify those deficiencies all the while we will not be improving and will still suck for another 5 years.
- MayorMcCheese

Fair enough, and you're right, I don't exactly have the answer to that, but... would you be more willing to see some more intriuging names mentioned as possible new overhead and take a chance on being crappy for another 5 years but maybe improving immediately or just staying staus quo and most likely being crappy for another 5 years? I'm not trying to be Mr. know it all here because clearly as Oilhorse pointed out I have "not a clue" about the Oil, but just curious as to the mind-set of most Edmonton fans.

Fair enough, and you're right, I don't exactly have the answer to that, but... would you be more willing to see some more intriuging names mentioned as possible new overhead and take a chance on being crappy for another 5 years but maybe improving immediately or just staying staus quo and most likely being crappy for another 5 years? I'm not trying to be Mr. know it all here because clearly as Oilhorse pointed out I have "not a clue" about the Oil, but just curious as to the mind-set of most Edmonton fans.
- MnGump

Honestly we have had 5 coaches in 7 years have a new GM and have had turnover in our scouting department. The only constant in all of this has been Lowe but he is a figurehead and doesn't deal in the day to day operations of the team. I think at this point most of us feel we should ride this thing out and see where this current regime (who have only been in power 2 years) takes us.

Whether that's true or not, what more do I need to know exactly about a failing team for the last 9 seasons and counting? I'm a fan of Hockey, I follow many teams from afar and a few closely, Edmonton used to be one a followed closer than others ( I didn't have a team of my own for about 7 years). So I ask you, what more do I need to know? Exactly how intimate does one need to be with the inner-workings of a proffesional hockey organization in order to "have a clue" about them and/or speak intelligently on how good or bad they are? Do tell.
- MnGump

The fact that you used to "follow" theOilers closely, but said that MacT was useless as a coach (to paraphrase) shows you don't follow as well as you claim.

He was given a bottom half talent team and regularly got them into the playoffs. He had a winning record oin the regular season and the one year he finally got a stud Dman you notice that they were able to create their own luck and bet teams that were much better than they were...all the way to a game 7 SCF.

As a GM he has been in charge for 18 months and was handed a team with no presence and no direction. He has his hands cuffed by the fact that the team is not a priority destination for impact players. He is fighting an uphill battle and has done a fairly decent job in what he is trying to accomplish.

He has made mistakes (trying to anoint Jultz as the next coming of Orr, is handling of Petry so far and too much money for Nikitin) but you cannot win them all.

I don't see MacT as a problem and am willing to give him more time, mostly this year and into next season.


You on the other-hand just see the superficial media coverage and take it as gospel it seems. To me it just looks like you are another of those guys that are "Just fans of hockey" that think they have their finger of the pulse of any and every team...yet don't really have any sort of true understanding of individual teams.

That's fine. I guess I just don't understand why at this point Oil fans arent' just ready for an all out purge of organizational overhead?! How much longer does this garbage need to go on before the fans have finally had enough? What is there to lose at this point?
- MnGump

mact's hasn't had the job for even 2 full seasons.......

".... I saw all the red banners waving, the “Go Flames Go” signs displayed in front windows, and thought for a moment that it would be nice to see another Alberta team win the Cup. Forgive me, I was eight."

I hope you got stuck with a Kirby vacuum.

The fact that you used to "follow" theOilers closely, but said that MacT was useless as a coach (to paraphrase) shows you don't follow as well as you claim.

He was given a bottom half talent team and regularly got them into the playoffs. He had a winning record oin the regular season and the one year he finally got a stud Dman you notice that they were able to create their own luck and bet teams that were much better than they were...all the way to a game 7 SCF.

As a GM he has been in charge for 18 months and was handed a team with no presence and no direction. He has his hands cuffed by the fact that the team is not a priority destination for impact players. He is fighting an uphill battle and has done a fairly decent job in what he is trying to accomplish.

He has made mistakes (trying to anoint Jultz as the next coming of Orr, is handling of Petry so far and too much money for Nikitin) but you cannot win them all.

I don't see MacT as a problem and am willing to give him more time, mostly this year and into next season.


You on the other-hand just see the superficial media coverage and take it as gospel it seems. To me it just looks like you are another of those guys that are "Just fans of hockey" that think they have their finger of the pulse of any and every team...yet don't really have any sort of true understanding of individual teams.
- OilHorse

First off, I have two Canadian friends that are die hard Oilers fans. They are the primary reason I took and interest in the Oilers several years back. Both of them absolutely hated MacTavish as the head coach. So I figured it was moderately safe to make an assumption or two about how some Oilers fans felt about him. And I wouldn't necessarily call 3 playoff appearances in 8 seasons (two of which were one and done) "getting them to the playoffs regularly".

Secondly, you honestly need to check yourself and your attitude towards nothing more than conversation and/or a little constructive criticism in regards to your favorite team. Having an understanding of them as an "individual team" or not in the grand scheme of things means absolutely nothing except one last ditch effort to try and somehow deflect the negative attention they get from a fans perspective.

Lastly, lighten up man, I didn't come in here bashing your team or trying to troll. I gave an honest opinion that you immediately took offense to for no other reason than you felt the need to be defensive about something as benign as suggesting new management for a team that has gone nowhere for almost an entire decade. I'm just looking for Hockey conversation, nothing more.

mact's hasn't had the job for even 2 full seasons.......
- hugefemale dog77

You're right, he probably does deserve a little more time. I was merely wondering if Oilers fans were getting itchy trigger fingers yet.

I mean the team has seemingly gotten worse since he took over, so it's not like it's out of the realm of possiblity fans would be quick to call for his head, especially after so many years of slightly less mediocrity before him with Tambellini at the healm.

First off, I have two Canadian friends that are die hard Oilers fans. They are the primary reason I took and interest in the Oilers several years back. Both of them absolutely hated MacTavish as the head coach. So I figured it was moderately safe to make an assumption or two about how some Oilers fans felt about him. And I wouldn't necessarily call 3 playoff appearances in 8 seasons (two of which were one and done) "getting them to the playoffs regularly".

Secondly, you honestly need to check yourself and your attitude towards nothing more than conversation and/or a little constructive criticism in regards to your favorite team. Having an understanding of them as an "individual team" or not in the grand scheme of things means absolutely nothing except one last ditch effort to try and somehow deflect the negative attention they get from a fans perspective.

Lastly, lighten up man, I didn't come in here bashing your team or trying to troll. I gave an honest opinion that you immediately took offense to for no other reason than you felt the need to be defensive about something as benign as suggesting new management for a team that has gone nowhere for almost an entire decade. I'm just looking for Hockey conversation, nothing more.
- MnGump

When I see you in Oiler threads you are generally trolling in the guise of "Honest Hockey Conversation".

So don't play innocent victim, your reputation precedes.

When I see you in Oiler threads you are generally trolling in the guise of "Honest Hockey Conversation".

So don't play innocent victim, your reputation precedes.
- OilHorse

Yes, I have trolled the Oilers blogs a time or two, but that was when Clouts was still your #1 blogger and 99.9999% of my trolling was aimed directly at him and his sensationalism. But I do see your point. Fair enough, conceding your point aside though, I have not trolled since Clouts left. Ask Jeropotato, I'm not that guy anymore.