That would be too perfect, like Dale Tallon taking all of Stan Bowman's albatrosses.
- Tomahawk

We can dream!

Without being in the locker room, it's impossible to judge a captain. I just base it what I see and I'm not sure what else people want from him. I think the whole captaincy is overrated anyway. Every team needs multiple leaders. Not sure how the C or the A has any significance. I guess it's so the media and fans know who to blame and go to after a loss.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yup.

we are closer to Macdavid or Eichel than a cup, so we might as well go for it this season.

I find it funny that your ok moving prospects but Coburn and MacDonald are in our future?
- J35Bacher

I don't think you understand my position then. I'm not in favor of trading any player, just to get picks and prospects. I'm in favor of making trades because it makes the team better. And that trade would be made even if this team was a current contender. I'm not in favor of a fire sale just because the team is currently struggling. The Flyers just can't add a bunch of young defenseman to the lineup., and hope they all develop. There still needs to be a veteran presence on the defense. And the two I see are Coburn, and MacDonald, aloing with Del Zotto if he continues to progress.

I would be willing to include one oof the young defense prospects in a trade, for one kind of player only. That is a still fairly young established top defenseman. I would also include MacDonald and Coburn if I had to, to get that player.

You just want to pawn off Coburn for whatever you can think of. I'm not in favor of that. I'd want an established asset for Coburn, because quality defenseman are at a premium.

I would in the right deal.
- MJL

Unless it's OEL, Karlsson, Weber, Suter, or someone similar in return, no way I do it. For once in many years, the Flyers have built a solid pool of prospect Dmen. Forwards are typically easier and quicker to develop than Dmen, so they'd be better of going a different route. Not to mention, their D core is getting older, with the exception of MDZ and Schenn... Those young guys are going to need to do some replacing in the coming years.

JMO, but that deal would have to be pretty dang sweet for me to want to trade any of the good D prospects coming through the system (Morin, Ghost, Sanheim, etc)

Without being in the locker room, it's impossible to judge a captain. I just base it what I see and I'm not sure what else people want from him. I think the whole captaincy is overrated anyway. Every team needs multiple leaders. Not sure how the C or the A has any significance. I guess it's so the media and fans know who to blame and go to after a loss.
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't know what it is. He just doesn't seem like he'll do whatever it takes, but I don't know why that is. I guess I just like captains to play a more physical role (i.e. Primeau, Pronger, Forsberg, Smith, etc). I'm not saying make Rinaldo captain, but do you get what I mean?

Unless it's OEL, Karlsson, Weber, Suter, or someone similar in return, no way I do it. For once in many years, the Flyers have built a solid pool of prospect Dmen. Forwards are typically easier and quicker to develop than Dmen, so they'd be better of going a different route. Not to mention, their D core is getting older, with the exception of MDZ and Schenn... Those young guys are going to need to do some replacing in the coming years.

JMO, but that deal would have to be pretty dang sweet for me to want to trade any of the good D prospects coming through the system (Morin, Ghost, Sanheim, etc)
- WarriorHockey21

How would you rank these guys from best to worst:
Ghost
Morin
Snaheim
Hagg
other
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So what constitutes being out of it at the trade deadline? Which is Monday, March 2nd, 2015 this season

The Flyers are 8-12-3 thru 23 games, and there are now three months and 40 games left before the deadline. I'm going to guess they will be 21-32-10 by then. Which should make them full on sellers.

I don't know what it is. He just doesn't seem like he'll do whatever it takes, but I don't know why that is. I guess I just like captains to play a more physical role (i.e. Primeau, Pronger, Forsberg, Smith, etc). I'm not saying make Rinaldo captain, but do you get what I mean?
- jmatchett383

I get it. You want the grizzled veteran. Who would be your choice on this roster though?

No, like I said, 2 years at $3M per is okay with me, not sure how high I'd go though. That was in response to the guy who said to use the $2M for Kimmo on him. No way he does that, although I'd love it.
- jmatchett383

Gotcha...

Me too though... I'd do $3, no problem.. I don't think I'd be comfortable going over 3.25 though, at most. The last thing this team needs is another hefty contract/cap hit on a one hit wonder player who drops off to nothing the year following his contract..

So what constitutes being out of it at the trade deadline? Which is Monday, March 2nd, 2015 this season

The Flyers are 8-12-3 thru 23 games, and there are now three months and 40 games left before the deadline. I'm going to guess they will be 21-32-10 by then.
- Feanor

I don't even gauge it by the trade deadline. I give it a month or two. I want to see the team be competitive. If it's not I start selling off pieces for picks as soon as late January. Any of the veteran defensemen, especially if they have more than a year or two left, are fair game. Obviously, Umberger and Lecavalier would be up for grabs. I'd probably also see if anyone wanted Emery.

My thinking was that if the Flyers don't have Simmonds, they lack size and grit on the wing. They may give you more skill, but look at the production. I agree that the Flyers need some more speed and skill added to the lineup. But I think they have some players who can develop and add that skill, that are already here.
- MJL

My issue with the team is that we don't look very good as a five man unit on the ice. My issue with the organization is that it keeps shooting themselves in the foot. Umberger didn't trade himself here in change for a pretty productive player. Briere didn't buy himself out and then Lecavalier didn't sign himself here. I'm NEVER going disagree that Umberger and Lecavalier do not deserve to sit in the press box but I don't see better options and sitting them seems more about in protest of the players while hoping things work themselves.

Some might Jason Akeson can do better, I don't. Hextall sent him down. Berube won't play him. I'maassuming Bill has seen him practice and he's not going to bad for him either, so why should we believe anything else?

Last night I debated with another buzzer on here about Laviolette. There should be zero surprise that he's found success yet again. Take a real good look at our defense during the 2012-13 season and then let it sink in. Coburn, Grossmann and Meszaros out long term. Rusty was that offseason's great acquisition. Are you telling me last season if Laviolette was given the deserved rope, Timonen, Coburn, Streit, Meszaros, Gustafsson and later on MacDonald aren't good enough to execute his system?

If we're really worried about the other lines, why not try splitting G and Jake? Because they are our bread and butter? Datsyuk and Zetterberg, Toews and Kane, Crosby and Malkin. The greats and produce both together and apart.

So what constitutes being out of it at the trade deadline? Which is Monday, March 2nd, 2015 this season

The Flyers are 8-12-3 thru 23 games, and there are now three months and 40 games left before the deadline. I'm going to guess they will be 21-32-10 by then. Which should make them full on sellers.
- Feanor

I think they'll be about 28-27-8 and still in the playoff picture although they should look to sell if a good deal presents itself. Otherwise buy but only if they don't have to give up valuable assets for a band-aid.

I don't think you understand my position then. I'm not in favor of trading any player, just to get picks and prospects. I'm in favor of making trades because it makes the team better. And that trade would be made even if this team was a current contender. I'm not in favor of a fire sale just because the team is currently struggling. The Flyers just can't add a bunch of young defenseman to the lineup., and hope they all develop. There still needs to be a veteran presence on the defense. And the two I see are Coburn, and MacDonald, aloing with Del Zotto if he continues to progress.

I would be willing to include one oof the young defense prospects in a trade, for one kind of player only. That is a still fairly young established top defenseman. I would also include MacDonald and Coburn if I had to, to get that player.

You just want to pawn off Coburn for whatever you can think of. I'm not in favor of that. I'd want an established asset for Coburn, because quality defenseman are at a premium.
- MJL

I haven't said just pawn him off for whatever. I have said it would have to be high end prospect, 1st rounder, legit scoring winger.

The problem is you think this team can turnaround in one season. I still feel it is about 2-3 yars from making some noise in the playoffs.

You bring up needing vets like Macdonald and Coburn. We have vets in Streit and Schenn and Del Zotto if signed.

I don't even gauge it by the trade deadline. I give it a month or two. I want to see the team be competitive. If it's not I start selling off pieces for picks as soon as late January. Any of the veteran defensemen, especially if they have more than a year or two left, are fair game. Obviously, Umberger and Lecavalier would be up for grabs. I'd probably also see if anyone wanted Emery.
- Jsaquella

But won't prices go up the closer we get to the deadline?

I can't imagine who might want Emery. In his second go round in Philly his SV% is .900. .900 goalies aren't hard to find.

no, he's right, they would quite literally all be pacifists with advanced pacemakers regulating their bloodflow

not an ideal mix
- BulliesPhan87

I get it. You want the grizzled veteran. Who would be your choice on this roster though?
- PhillySportsGuy

Like I said, from the available roster, he's probably the best choice.

Elliot Friedman had some interesting things to say on Sportsnet radio about the Flyers:

http://www.nicholsonhocke...ughts-on-schenn-couturier

“The tough thing for there is he doesn’t have a lot that other people want. Nobody really wants to take Andrew MacDonald’s contract. Nobody really wants to take Vinnie Lecavalier’s contract. Philly knows if they want to move those guys, they’re probably going to have to eat a chunk."

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we are closer to Macdavid or Eichel than a cup, so we might as well go for it this season.
- PhillaBully

and lose the draft lottery

But won't prices go up the closer we get to the deadline?

I can't imagine who might want Emery. In his second go round in Philly his SV% is .900. .900 goalies aren't hard to find.
- Feanor

They might, but I didn't say make 8 trades on January 31st...I said to start selling them, set up a market, get the names out there and see if any sort of bidding can develop.

As for Emery, I'd put him out there and see if anyone bites. Even if it's a 4th rounder.

But won't prices go up the closer we get to the deadline?

I can't imagine who might want Emery. In his second go round in Philly his SV% is .900. .900 goalies aren't hard to find.
- Feanor

He's showed to be a good back up and fill in for stretches. I know Dallas wants and upgrade. There might be a playoff team looking to upgrade. Problem is goalies rarly bring bakc a lot. Might be a low pick in return

Elliot Friedman had some interesting things to say on Sportsnet radio about the Flyers:

http://www.nicholsonhocke...ughts-on-schenn-couturier

“The tough thing for there is he doesn’t have a lot that other people want. Nobody really wants to take Andrew MacDonald’s contract. Nobody really wants to take Vinnie Lecavalier’s contract. Philly knows if they want to move those guys, they’re probably going to have to eat a chunk."

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- BulliesPhan87

Impossible. People aren't banging down the door for Amac? He was signed at market value though

Elliot Friedman had some interesting things to say on Sportsnet radio about the Flyers:

http://www.nicholsonhocke...ughts-on-schenn-couturier

“The tough thing for there is he doesn’t have a lot that other people want. Nobody really wants to take Andrew MacDonald’s contract. Nobody really wants to take Vinnie Lecavalier’s contract. Philly knows if they want to move those guys, they’re probably going to have to eat a chunk."

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- BulliesPhan87

Seems perfectly logical. Why would anyone want to take on MacDonald's deal? Why would anyone want Vinny's? Or Umberger's? Average to bad players with significant cap hits AND lots of term left.

Impossible. People aren't banging down the door for Amac? He was signed at market value though
- PhillySportsGuy

Very good #4 defender.

Seems perfectly logical. Why would anyone want to take on MacDonald's deal? Why would anyone want Vinny's? Or Umberger's? Average to bad players with significant cap hits AND lots of term left.
- Jsaquella

Hartnell?