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PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Dec 1 @ 11:29 AM ET
and lose the draft lottery
- vejim

I dont think you loose if your drafting top 5 this year
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:29 AM ET
Impossible. People aren't banging down the door for Amac? He was signed at market value though
- PhillySportsGuy


That cap hit will look peanuts when the cap limit goes up to $500M in 3-years time.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 1 @ 11:30 AM ET
Impossible. People aren't banging down the door for Amac? He was signed at market value though
- PhillySportsGuy


I don't think these so called "experts" know what their talking about.

AMac is a building block with a contract any team in the league would love to have
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 1 @ 11:30 AM ET
Very good #4 defender.
- jmatchett383

Very good
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Dec 1 @ 11:30 AM ET
Elliot Friedman had some interesting things to say on Sportsnet radio about the Flyers:

http://www.nicholsonhocke...ughts-on-schenn-couturier

“The tough thing for there is he doesn’t have a lot that other people want. Nobody really wants to take Andrew MacDonald’s contract. Nobody really wants to take Vinnie Lecavalier’s contract. Philly knows if they want to move those guys, they’re probably going to have to eat a chunk."

Disqus

- BulliesPhan87


Where is Scott Howson when you need him??
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 1 @ 11:30 AM ET
Hartnell?
- jmatchett383


Last I checked, Hartnell is still a productive top six power forward. He's big, gritty, plays physically, scores goals and even the advanced stats guys like him, because he's had good possession numbers over the past few seasons.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 1 @ 11:30 AM ET
That cap hit will look peanuts when the cap limit goes up to $500M in 3-years time.
- Tomahawk

Lol

Edit: I really hope Hexy had no say in that deal and subsequent extension
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:31 AM ET
Elliot Friedman had some interesting things to say on Sportsnet radio about the Flyers:

http://www.nicholsonhocke...ughts-on-schenn-couturier

“The tough thing for there is he doesn’t have a lot that other people want. Nobody really wants to take Andrew MacDonald’s contract. Nobody really wants to take Vinnie Lecavalier’s contract. Philly knows if they want to move those guys, they’re probably going to have to eat a chunk."

Disqus

- BulliesPhan87


Makes perfect sense. Those assets could not be valued any lower right now. The timing is bad.

The very best we can hope for is that those players do something resembling playing hockey at, at least, a decent level for a contender to sniff around for some depth heading into the playoffs.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:32 AM ET
I do think MacDonald is a fine second pairing guy (please don't recite his flaws kthx), but like pretty much all our defensemen he's one of those "needs the right partner" guys.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Dec 1 @ 11:32 AM ET
Impossible. People aren't banging down the door for Amac? He was signed at market value though
- PhillySportsGuy

maybe just before the trade deadline some desperate team will offer a third rounder...I will accept a 2nd rounder for Coburn and 3rd rounders for the rest of the D
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:32 AM ET
Where is Scott Howson when you need him??
- NickTheKid87

Hopefully taking over in Edmonton soon
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 1 @ 11:32 AM ET
Last I checked, Hartnell is still a productive top six power forward. He's big, gritty, plays physically, scores goals and even the advanced stats guys like him, because he's had good possession numbers over the past few seasons.
- Jsaquella


He falls a lot though and takes too many penalties. He draws more than he takes but those are irrelevant stats filled with false data
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Dec 1 @ 11:33 AM ET
How would you rank these guys from best to worst:
Ghost
Morin
Snaheim
Hagg
other
Alt

- jmatchett383


...problem is, that's tough to do right now considering the injuries setting back Ghost and Morin, and it depends if you're talking NHL-ready or not. But I personally would put Sanheim last, simply because of development time... Alt just in front of him.. Then I'd say probably Hagg... and then it's a toss up between Morin and Ghost.

That being said, I think Alt and Hagg are probably the most "NHL ready"... Ghost is the only one we've really gotten a taste of on the big club, so it's hard not to take his play into the equation. But I think Morin is going to be a beast as well when he comes up.

I know that didn't fully answer the question, but there's just too many factors to account for in ranking them, imo. If what you were getting at is which one would I be willing to part with? Probably Alt first..
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 1 @ 11:33 AM ET
maybe just before the trade deadline some desperate team will offer a third rounder...I will accept a 2nd rounder for Coburn and 3rd rounders for the rest of the D
- vejim

I would want more for Coburn. I would take nothing for Amac
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:33 AM ET
Last I checked, Hartnell is still a productive top six power forward. He's big, gritty, plays physically, scores goals and even the advanced stats guys like him, because he's had good possession numbers over the past few seasons.
- Jsaquella

excuse me, but WE DON'T CARE WHO HE IS
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 1 @ 11:33 AM ET
He falls a lot though and takes too many penalties. He draws more than he takes but those are irrelevant stats filled with false data
- PhillySportsGuy

True. True
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 1 @ 11:36 AM ET
I do think MacDonald is a fine second pairing guy (please don't recite his flaws kthx), but like pretty much all our defensemen he's one of those "needs the right partner" guys.
- BulliesPhan87



Exactly. Quoting one of you guys, our defense is made up of 6 Robins. We need more Batmans.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 1 @ 11:36 AM ET
...problem is, that's tough to do right now considering the injuries setting back Ghost and Morin, and it depends if you're talking NHL-ready or not. But I personally would put Sanheim last, simply because of development time... Alt just in front of him.. Then I'd say probably Hagg... and then it's a toss up between Morin and Ghost.

That being said, I think Alt and Hagg are probably the most "NHL ready"... Ghost is the only one we've really gotten a taste of on the big club, so it's hard not to take his play into the equation. But I think Morin is going to be a beast as well when he comes up.

I know that didn't fully answer the question, but there's just too many factors to account for in ranking them, imo. If what you were getting at is which one would I be willing to part with? Probably Alt first..

- WarriorHockey21


Yes, I was talking as in "Least tradeable" to "Most tradeable." Where do you see them ranked as in most valuable to the Flyers in the future.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:36 AM ET
We need more Batmans.
- MBFlyerfan


How about just one to start.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 1 @ 11:37 AM ET
He's showed to be a good back up and fill in for stretches. I know Dallas wants and upgrade. There might be a playoff team looking to upgrade. Problem is goalies rarly bring bakc a lot. Might be a low pick in return
- J35Bacher


Christ, I didn't realize Lindback's numbers were that terrible.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:37 AM ET
Christ, I didn't realize Lindback's numbers were that terrible.
- Feanor


The guy is like the size of two Arturs Irbes and yet, is kind of terrible.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Dec 1 @ 11:38 AM ET
Yes, I was talking as in "Least tradeable" to "Most tradeable." Where do you see them ranked as in most valuable to the Flyers in the future.
- jmatchett383

I would think Morin and Sanheim are pretty much untouchable
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 1 @ 11:38 AM ET
Christ, I didn't realize Lindback's numbers were that terrible.
- Feanor

He's been terrible for quite a while now
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 1 @ 11:38 AM ET
Been on this thread for all of 5 minutes and I already have a headache, sheesh!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 1 @ 11:39 AM ET
Lose

L-O-S-E

Lose

Please make a note of it.

Thank you.
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