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mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Dec 2 @ 4:06 PM ET
Maybe it's Hextall's plan?
- FlyersGrace

...and how long have I been saying that.

Snider spoke out this week as a cover up to the fixed lottery situation.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 2 @ 4:06 PM ET
Oh, without a doubt... and it's one of the things that constantly pisses me off... to see players getting $5+ million, doing horrible and actually HURTING the team, playing, instead of a $1million guy who is productive and hustles his @$$ off. It's always been that way, and it always will.


And sure.. if I'm the one writing the checks, I would WANT that $5mil guy in.. but most of all, I'd want to WIN.. at all costs... if that means Giroux sitting, so be it.. if it means Crosby sitting, so be it.. if it means Weber sitting... again, so be it.

But that's just me... and I guess why I work 9+ hour days, and I'm not a millionaire that owns a team..

- WarriorHockey21


I'm with you, brother -- you can tell I'd never be a coach or owner, because the phrase "play through" is only something I'd tolerate on a golf course, not giving you excess time to fix your poopty play
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 2 @ 4:06 PM ET
Yup. That's something that scares me with Berube as coach as he has seemed to favor Grossmann even at his worst. Oh well, I want a top 5 pick.
- NickTheKid87


Played him all of last January even when he was a dumpster fire on skates.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 2 @ 4:07 PM ET
...and how long have I been saying that.

Snider spoke out this week as a cover up to the fixed lottery situation.

- mayorofangrytown


Ha! Terrifyingly devious, if so
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Dec 2 @ 4:07 PM ET
Good.

It's about time that:

1.) The Flyers were on the right side of such a scam.
2.) That Wyshynski was right about something, anything.

- johndewar

He's just funny. Marek and Wyshinski are hockey entertainment. I don't listen for hardcore hockey content. I listen because it makes me laugh and for the interviews.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 2 @ 4:10 PM ET
He's just funny. Marek and Wyshinski are hockey entertainment. I don't listen for hardcore hockey content. I listen because it makes me laugh and for the interviews.
- mayorofangrytown


Is he better in podcast form?

Some people's writing just comes off as douchey and I feel like I can smell the vinegar and water through the monitor when I read Puck Daddy.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Dec 2 @ 4:11 PM ET
Played him all of last January even when he was a dumpster fire on skates.
- Feanor


Didn't even reduce his ice time.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Dec 2 @ 4:15 PM ET
Is he better in podcast form?

Some people's writing just comes off as douchey and I feel like I can smell the vinegar and water through the monitor when I read Puck Daddy.

- johndewar

I find their podcast really funny. I never miss it. Marek brings lots of hockey facts and trivia and Wyshinski brings the jokes mostly. Just shut it off if Gameshow Friday starts.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 2 @ 4:16 PM ET
Elliote Friedman's 30 thoughts, Flyers get thoughts #2-4


2. Are the Flyers trying to get creative with potential moves? Whatever they would like to do, there are a limited amount of players other teams like. What Philly has done in the past is say, “Okay, if you want that guy, you also have to take this contract we’d like to shed.”

This theory is very sensible on paper — and certainly worth a try — but, at a time when cap dollars are tight and there are questions about the future, it is tough to do. Some of those contracts have significant term remaining.

3. Ron Hextall recently pulled a trick out of Paul Holmgren’s playbook, scolding his players in-person in the hopes of stoking competitive fires. The Flyers went 39-21-10 after Holmgren ripped them during a 7-0 loss to Washington back on Nov. 1, 2013. Philadelphia is now 1-4-1 after Hextall did it two weeks ago.

Ed Snider ripped their (lack of) secondary scoring to The Philadelphia Inquirer’s Sam Carchidi, but, if you ask opponents, the biggest surprise is the Flyers just don’t seem to be the Flyers. Win or lose, games against them were mean and physical. But not right now. It must be driving Hextall and Craig Berube nuts.

4. One executive on Philadelphia and Edmonton: “Their most valuable asset is their 2015 first-round pick. That will get them something big.” No way. Can’t see it.

johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 2 @ 4:16 PM ET
I find their podcast really funny. I never miss it. Marek brings lots of hockey facts and trivia and Wyshinski brings the jokes mostly. Just shut it off if Gameshow Friday starts.
- mayorofangrytown




Been looking for a decent hockey podcast....I'll give it a go.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 2 @ 4:18 PM ET
Elliote Friedman's 30 thoughts, Flyers get thoughts #2-4


2. Are the Flyers trying to get creative with potential moves? Whatever they would like to do, there are a limited amount of players other teams like. What Philly has done in the past is say, “Okay, if you want that guy, you also have to take this contract we’d like to shed.”

This theory is very sensible on paper — and certainly worth a try — but, at a time when cap dollars are tight and there are questions about the future, it is tough to do. Some of those contracts have significant term remaining.

3. Ron Hextall recently pulled a trick out of Paul Holmgren’s playbook, scolding his players in-person in the hopes of stoking competitive fires. The Flyers went 39-21-10 after Holmgren ripped them during a 7-0 loss to Washington back on Nov. 1, 2013. Philadelphia is now 1-4-1 after Hextall did it two weeks ago.

Ed Snider ripped their (lack of) secondary scoring to The Philadelphia Inquirer’s Sam Carchidi, but, if you ask opponents, the biggest surprise is the Flyers just don’t seem to be the Flyers. Win or lose, games against them were mean and physical. But not right now. It must be driving Hextall and Craig Berube nuts.

4. One executive on Philadelphia and Edmonton: “Their most valuable asset is their 2015 first-round pick. That will get them something big.” No way. Can’t see it.

- Marc D


Eh, I don't know about that, but there is the kernel of truth there, I guess.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Dec 2 @ 4:19 PM ET
I wouldn't say by far. Grossmann and Streit have been really bad together
- Jsaquella


At least Grossmann has some size and strength... MDZ is built like a 12 year old
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 2 @ 4:25 PM ET
Eh, I don't know about that, but there is the kernel of truth there, I guess.
- johndewar


The question of the day is this, really: How bad are they?

Are they really Top 5 bad? When it's all said and done, 59 games from now, are they really Top 5 bad?

They're not playing at the level I thought they would. I admit that.

But I still don't think they're Top 5 bad. Or, at least, they don't have to be.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 2 @ 4:26 PM ET
http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...rms-of-voynov-suspension/


I thought only the Flyers did stuff like this. At least, that is what I hear from the idiots in here.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 2 @ 4:26 PM ET
At least Grossmann has some size and strength... MDZ is built like a 12 year old
- 3flyerkids


So Ghost is an 8 year old girl.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 2 @ 4:29 PM ET
http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...rms-of-voynov-suspension/


I thought only the Flyers did stuff like this. At least, that is what I hear from the idiots in here.

- MBFlyerfan

I think the Kings just said fu to the nhl
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 2 @ 4:31 PM ET
The question of the day is this, really: How bad are they?

Are they really Top 5 bad? When it's all said and done, 59 games from now, are they really Top 5 bad?

They're not playing at the level I thought they would. I admit that.

But I still don't think they're Top 5 bad. Or, at least, they don't have to be.

- AllInForFlyers

If Read, Couturier, Coburn and Amac don't start to play better, then I would say they are top 5 bad.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 2 @ 4:32 PM ET
Elliote Friedman's 30 thoughts, Flyers get thoughts #2-4


2. Are the Flyers trying to get creative with potential moves? Whatever they would like to do, there are a limited amount of players other teams like. What Philly has done in the past is say, “Okay, if you want that guy, you also have to take this contract we’d like to shed.”

This theory is very sensible on paper — and certainly worth a try — but, at a time when cap dollars are tight and there are questions about the future, it is tough to do. Some of those contracts have significant term remaining.

3. Ron Hextall recently pulled a trick out of Paul Holmgren’s playbook, scolding his players in-person in the hopes of stoking competitive fires. The Flyers went 39-21-10 after Holmgren ripped them during a 7-0 loss to Washington back on Nov. 1, 2013. Philadelphia is now 1-4-1 after Hextall did it two weeks ago.

Ed Snider ripped their (lack of) secondary scoring to The Philadelphia Inquirer’s Sam Carchidi, but, if you ask opponents, the biggest surprise is the Flyers just don’t seem to be the Flyers. Win or lose, games against them were mean and physical. But not right now. It must be driving Hextall and Craig Berube nuts.

4. One executive on Philadelphia and Edmonton: “Their most valuable asset is their 2015 first-round pick. That will get them something big.” No way. Can’t see it.

- Marc D


I wonder if the Flyers were willing to trade their first round pick if someone would be willing to take VL and Umberger with it.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 2 @ 4:35 PM ET
hope the flyers dont' suck tonight i paid 30 bucks for good seat
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 2 @ 4:35 PM ET
I wonder if the Flyers were willing to trade their first round pick if someone would be willing to take VL and Umberger with it.
- PLindbergh31

best be more coming back then just that

I mean the pick this year could turn into a franchise kind of player
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Dec 2 @ 4:35 PM ET
hope the flyers dont' suck tonight i paid 30 bucks for good seat
- 2Real

prices are down in SJ
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 2 @ 4:36 PM ET
prices are down in SJ
- Marc D

there were some seats for 15-17 bucks
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 2 @ 4:37 PM ET
best be more coming back then just that

I mean the pick this year could turn into a franchise kind of player

- Marc D


Unloading those awful contracts would give the Flyers valuable cap space to sign players that could actually contribute. I wouldn't want to give up a potential top 5 pick, but I would be willing to guarantee the Flyers won't pick in the top 2.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 2 @ 4:37 PM ET
Nachos in street clothes.
- flyer_nutter


Full circle.
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Dec 2 @ 4:37 PM ET
sooo if we finish last are we guaranteed at least the 2nd pic?
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