there were some seats for 15-17 bucks
- 2Real

Damn, that's good.

there were some seats for 15-17 bucks
- 2Real

That's incredible. A beer cost more than that in Toronto

I dunno about Streit

He is the PP quarterback and good with the puck, but end to end skating, I think he is average

If they are taking out MDZ, Coburn and MacD really have to get some shots through to the net
- Marc D

Streit still has decent mobility, can carry the puck, and can move up on the play.

Elliote Friedman's 30 thoughts, Flyers get thoughts #2-4


2. Are the Flyers trying to get creative with potential moves? Whatever they would like to do, there are a limited amount of players other teams like. What Philly has done in the past is say, “Okay, if you want that guy, you also have to take this contract we’d like to shed.”

This theory is very sensible on paper — and certainly worth a try — but, at a time when cap dollars are tight and there are questions about the future, it is tough to do. Some of those contracts have significant term remaining.

3. Ron Hextall recently pulled a trick out of Paul Holmgren’s playbook, scolding his players in-person in the hopes of stoking competitive fires. The Flyers went 39-21-10 after Holmgren ripped them during a 7-0 loss to Washington back on Nov. 1, 2013. Philadelphia is now 1-4-1 after Hextall did it two weeks ago.

Ed Snider ripped their (lack of) secondary scoring to The Philadelphia Inquirer’s Sam Carchidi, but, if you ask opponents, the biggest surprise is the Flyers just don’t seem to be the Flyers. Win or lose, games against them were mean and physical. But not right now. It must be driving Hextall and Craig Berube nuts.

4. One executive on Philadelphia and Edmonton: “Their most valuable asset is their 2015 first-round pick. That will get them something big.” No way. Can’t see it.
- Marc D

Confused by #4. Is he talking about both teams, or just Edmointon regarding the value of 2015 1st round pick? And "No way. Can’t see it." Can't see what?

reaction upon hearing Vinny being scratched, then 3 hours later, MDZ scratched:

If Read, Couturier, Coburn and Amac don't start to play better, then I would say they are top 5 bad.
- Marc D

I guess I'm hoping that Hextall finds a way to make a move for secondary scoring and/or better play, which really could help this team

I mean, it's not like they don't have assets. They do. They could move Coburn today and get assets.

They can't be so married to dumping those toxic contracts that they forget that with 59 games to go, they could still go either way -- and either way means you could still make the playoffs

I mean, right now, at this moment, they are seven points out with a game in hand -- yeah, this stretch against the Rags was disastrous

But with 59 games left, you can still make it, if you play better.

But if you need help, and if they're going to make a move, then (frank)ing make it, because now is the time to start chipping away at it, little by little, because there are four teams in front of you and they're not all going to lose at once

You can't keep waiting, if you're going to make a move

You can't trade a lottery pick in this year's draft without protection. It would be insane.

That's incredible. A beer cost more than that in Toronto
- 3flyerkids

i can't believe how cheap tickets are here also and with the flyers playing

You can't trade a lottery pick in this year's draft without protection. It would be insane.
- Feanor

More insane than a GM taking on the contracts of both VLC and Umberger?

Say at the trade deadline the Flyers were in the bottom 5 teams in the League, and they offered VLC, Umberger, and their first round pick. What kind of return do you think they would get?

sooo if we finish last are we guaranteed at least the 2nd pic?
- mydoglicks

This year, yes, Next year I think it's 3rd overall.

You can't trade a lottery pick in this year's draft without protection. It would be insane.
- Feanor

I promise, I understand that, and I agree. But there are moves they could make that don't involve that pick that could help them

I mean, just say you don't want Del Zotto anymore. Not saying that's how they feel, or should feel. Just say that's what the deal is.

Then you could probably flip him, with maybe, what, a fourth or fifth rounder and get a third-line winger at the right age, size and productivity level. Throw in Alderson or Gordon if you have to

Right there, you have improved your depth, for (in theory) a player you aren't using. You can substitute Luke Schenn in there. Or Coburn, and adjust your return.

But Hextall could help this roster today, if he chose

More insane than a GM taking on the contracts of both VLC and Umberger?

Say at the trade deadline the Flyers were in the bottom 5 teams in the League, and they offered VLC, Umberger, and their first round pick. What kind of return do you think they would get?
- PLindbergh31

Bobby Ryan

I promise, I understand that, and I agree. But there are moves they could make that don't involve that pick that could help them

I mean, just say you don't want Del Zotto anymore. Not saying that's how they feel, or should feel. Just say that's what the deal is.

Then you could probably flip him, with maybe, what, a fourth or fifth rounder and get a third-line winger at the right age, size and productivity level. Throw in Alderson or Gordon if you have to

Right there, you have improved your depth, for (in theory) a player you aren't using. You can substitute Luke Schenn in there. Or Coburn, and adjust your return.

But Hextall could help this roster today, if he chose
- AllInForFlyers

Don't be absurd. We're tanking.

i can't believe how cheap tickets are here also and with the flyers playing
- 2Real

That's great man . Enjoy the game!
Hopefully they get a win for you

Don't be absurd. We're tanking.
- mayorofangrytown

If they try to ride this team out and tell us that they think they're capable of making the playoffs as-is, then yeah, they're tanking

Why would you trade a chance for Macdavid to lose Umberger and Vinny. They'd just sign two more overpaid idiots

In all honesty, would you guys rather have VLC or VDV in as the 4C?
- jmatchett383

I'm not sure I've even seen Chris Vandevelde win a faceoff yet.

If they try to ride this team out and tell us that they think they're capable of making the playoffs as-is, then yeah, they're tanking
- AllInForFlyers

Confused by #4. Is he talking about both teams, or just Edmointon regarding the value of 2015 1st round pick? And "No way. Can’t see it." Can't see what?
- wolfhounds

my interpretation was, he doesn't see EDM and PHL trading their first round pick

More insane than a GM taking on the contracts of both VLC and Umberger?

Say at the trade deadline the Flyers were in the bottom 5 teams in the League, and they offered VLC, Umberger, and their first round pick. What kind of return do you think they would get?
- PLindbergh31

Hextall traded Umberger's contract just prior to rumours of it becoming terminated for a productive top line player at a position of need.

Heck 90% of this board thought it was a good idea.

no hartnell no coatesy this team lost its personality

#bringbacksteve

Hextall traded Umberger's contract just prior to rumours of it becoming terminated for a productive top line player at a position of need.

Heck 90% of this board thought it was a good idea.
- SuperSchennBros

Don't group me in that mess.

no hartnell no coatesy this team lost its personality

#bringbacksteve
- -davies-

Bundy is being under utilized

Hextall traded Umberger's contract just prior to rumours of it becoming terminated for a productive top line player at a position of need.

Heck 90% of this board thought it was a good idea.
- SuperSchennBros

I'd say 90% here could rationalize the trade based on Hartnell's lengthy contract, most said on the ice it was not even.

Bill, being kind and politically correct called it a lateral move at best.