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AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 3 @ 5:12 PM ET
LA re-signs Alec Martinez to a 6 year, $24mm extension.
- Jsaquella


That's a good deal for them.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 3 @ 5:12 PM ET
Hello Christopher
- stayinthefnnet

Hi regis
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 3 @ 5:15 PM ET
Hi regis
- Giroux_Is_God




WELLLL GUYSSSSS KKRISTOPHER LEHHTANG
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 3 @ 5:15 PM ET
Hi regis
- Giroux_Is_God


hows the academic rigor this evening?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 3 @ 5:17 PM ET

- PhillySportsGuy


The new magic number for re-upping middle-tier dmen seems to be ~$4M: Muzzin, Martinez, Brodie, Scandella, etc.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 3 @ 5:17 PM ET
The new magic number for re-upping middle-tier dmen seems to be ~$4M: Muzzin, Martinez, Brodie, Scandella, etc.
- Tomahawk


would like to get maattaa locked in at that rate long term ASAP
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 3 @ 5:18 PM ET
I admire you because you only want the Flyers to give themselves what the math says is their best chance to win the hockey game -- math that is fairly simple to see

They're tied for second-to-last in the conference. You're not asking for them to acquire 20 new players. You're not saying that Steve Mason isn't the Flyers' best goalie.

The math shows that playing Mason back-to-back means that it is more likely that he will perform at a lower level than he would otherwise, and that the dropoff is such that it is more reasonable to play a backup goaltender. You would be giving yourself a better chance to win this particular game.

Not a foolproof chance. Nothing guaranteed. Just a better chance to win this particular game.

- AllInForFlyers



The math he provided does not say that it's more likely that a goalie, Mason or any other goalie, will perform at a lower level. All it gives is team's records when playing the goalie in that situation. There could be a whole host of factors that lead to that. And none of that means that the Flyers have a better chance of winning the game with Emery in net then Mason. I personally think they have a better chance of winning the game with Mason then they do with Emery in net. Simply because Mason is a better goalie.

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 3 @ 5:19 PM ET
would like to get maattaa locked in at that rate long term ASAP
- stayinthefnnet


Looking forward to 5 more seasons of Andrew MacDonald making $5M.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 3 @ 5:20 PM ET
hows the academic rigor this evening?
- stayinthefnnet

Captain's Log:

~UPDATE~
Day 3; 1718 hours

First meal of day. Dinner time. Rations low, not critical. Red Bull 12 pack acquired. Morale moderately high, but dropping. Studying after dinner, until hockey game.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 3 @ 5:20 PM ET
The math he provided does not say that it's more likely that a goalie, Mason or any other goalie, will perform at a lower level. All it gives is team's records when playing the goalie in that situation. There could be a whole host of factors that lead to that. And none of that means that the Flyers have a better chance of winning the game with Emery in net then Mason. I personally think they have a better chance of winning the game with Mason then they do with Emery in net. Simply because Mason is a better goalie.
- MJL


That math's already been done -- SVPCT down, GAA up. You're not talking to stupid people who don't understand the meaning of the word "factors"



BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 3 @ 5:23 PM ET
Captain's Log:

~UPDATE~
Day 3; 1718 hours

First meal of day. Dinner time. Rations low, not critical. Red Bull 12 pack acquired. Morale moderately high, but dropping. Studying after dinner, until hockey game.

- Giroux_Is_God


You need some time on the holodeck and a visit from Q
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Dec 3 @ 5:23 PM ET

- hammarby31


This was similar to the story my friend who used to work for the Lightning told me about him coming to Philly/ It was when he worked for them, which was up to 2-3 years prior to this alleged trade. Same thing, ownership nixed the deal , but the equipment bag was packed.

Maybe we can use a time machine and trade the current one for the younger one.
Except there is that thing that messes up the timeline when the same person makes contact with another of themselves from a different point in time.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 3 @ 5:24 PM ET
That math's already been done -- SVPCT down, GAA up. You're not talking to stupid people who don't understand the meaning of the word "factors"
- AllInForFlyers


This is my early vote for Post Of The Day!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 3 @ 5:24 PM ET
This was similar to the story my friend who used to work for the Lightning told me about him coming to Philly/ It was when he worked for them, which was up to 2-3 years prior to this alleged trade. Same thing, ownership nixed the deal , but the equipment bag was packed.

Maybe we can use a time machine and trade the current one for the younger one.
Except there is that thing that messes up the timeline when the same person makes contact with another of themselves from a different point in time.

- Steelmanpa


Paradox gives me a headache
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 3 @ 5:25 PM ET
That math's already been done -- SVPCT down, GAA up. You're not talking to stupid people who don't understand the meaning of the word "factors"
- AllInForFlyers



Well luckily it's not about understanding the meaning of the word factors. It is however about understanding the game of hockey. And how the team's play in front of the goalie that is in net, can affect a goalies SV% and affect how many goals are given up in a game. And who knows how many other factors that come into play. Besides just which goalie is in net.

Like in the example he gave when Mason was in net, for a back to back and they lost the game to NJ. Colossal defensive breakdowns were the cause of that loss. Not starting Mason in back to back games.

http://flyers.nhl.com/gam...er/en/recap?id=2014020006
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 3 @ 5:25 PM ET
Well luckily it's not about understanding the meaning of the word factors. It is however about understanding the game of hockey. And how the team's play in front of the goalie that is in net, can affect a goalies SV% and affect how many goals are given up in a game. And how knows how many other factors that come into play. Besides just which goalie is in net.
- MJL

That math's already been done -- SVPCT down, GAA up. You're not talking to stupid people who don't understand the meaning of the word "hockey"
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Dec 3 @ 5:25 PM ET
You need some time on the holodeck and a visit from Q
- BiggE


Actually he needs a visit from 7 of 9 or T'Pol

Just got my Ninja to chop ice for martinis. It is a world of difference using the chopped ice to cool the glass and put in the shaker, just like the bartender at the fancy bistros.
Even cheaper Vodkas taste better
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Dec 3 @ 5:27 PM ET
Paradox gives me a headache
- BiggE


Canadian Tylenol will do the trick ( with codeine)
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 3 @ 5:28 PM ET
That math's already been done -- SVPCT down, GAA up. You're not talking to stupid people who don't understand the meaning of the word "hockey"
- Giroux_Is_God


stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 3 @ 5:28 PM ET
Captain's Log:

~UPDATE~
Day 3; 1718 hours

First meal of day. Dinner time. Rations low, not critical. Red Bull 12 pack acquired. Morale moderately high, but dropping. Studying after dinner, until hockey game.

- Giroux_Is_God


hell yeah. glad to see youre going relatively strong.

im coming to you live from the TU law library. have to do a real estate transaction simulation from 6 til 8. should be home around ten. glad you guys have a late game tonight. Will have something to watch during studying. Hopefully we both maintain some sanity.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Dec 3 @ 5:28 PM ET
Captain's Log:

~UPDATE~
Day 3; 1718 hours

First meal of day. Dinner time. Rations low, not critical. Red Bull 12 pack acquired. Morale moderately high, but dropping. Studying after dinner, until hockey game.

- Giroux_Is_God


double
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 3 @ 5:28 PM ET
Canadian Tylenol will do the trick ( with codeine)
- Steelmanpa

Paracetamol.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Dec 3 @ 5:28 PM ET
That math's already been done -- SVPCT down, GAA up. You're not talking to stupid people who don't understand the meaning of the word "factors"
- AllInForFlyers


AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Dec 3 @ 5:29 PM ET
Well luckily it's not about understanding the meaning of the word factors. It is however about understanding the game of hockey. And how the team's play in front of the goalie that is in net, can affect a goalies SV% and affect how many goals are given up in a game. And how knows how many other factors that come into play. Besides just which goalie is in net.
- MJL


Or it's just as simple as this:

Feanor and others think that starting Emery is the better option, based on the math.

You and other think that starting Mason is the better option, because you discount the math.

It's got nothing to do with your presumed enhanced understanding of the game that you chose the one you did. Because more often than not, if you choose that option, you're going to be wrong, which means you know jack-poop.

That's all the math says: If you choose that option, more often than not, the goalie playing the back-to-back will perform worse, and the team will lose. Whichever comes first isn't what the math is for.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 3 @ 5:30 PM ET
Or it's just as simple as this:

Feanor and others think that starting Emery is the better option, based on the math.

You and other think that starting Mason is the better option, because you discount the math.

It's got nothing to do with your presumed enhanced understanding of the game that you chose the one you did. Because more often than not, if you choose that option, you're going to be wrong, which means you know jack-poop.

That's all the math says: If you choose that option, more often than not, the goalie playing the back-to-back will perform worse, and the team will lose. Whichever comes first isn't what the math is for.

- AllInForFlyers

Who is jack and why do we look at his poop of all people's poop
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