If this is how you feel why should the Oil be kicking themselves for not offering the vault for Schneider?
- Morris

Player value changes from season to season. When Schneider was available teams were getting good returns on trading goalies. Now, not so much.

A good GM understands the market place and reacts accordingly.

Dozzer was giving you the gears the other day
- Yeti1181

He was joking around. We were laughing about it in PM's. All smoke and mirrors.

He was joking around. We were laughing about it in PM's. All smoke and mirrors.
- AdamFrench

Yep sounds like Dozzer.

Aren't you in my pool? Yes he's actually been my best goalie but he's had some really bad games that screw my gaa
- Yeti1181

Nope. Pools just prove that I have no (frank)ing idea what I'm talking about

Yep sounds like Dozzer.
- Yeti1181

We wanted to see how far we could go with it.

Nope. Pools just prove that I have no (frank)ing idea what I'm talking about
- bloatedmosquito

We wanted to see how far we could go with it.
- AdamFrench

That trolling basterd.

Player value changes from season to season. When Schneider was available teams were getting good returns on trading goalies. Now, not so much.

A good GM understands the market place and reacts accordingly.
- bloatedmosquito

So by virtue of the fact that you think the Oilers should have traded for Schneider, you're admitting that anyone who followed that advice would be a bad GM.

So by virtue of the fact that you think the Oilers should have traded for Schneider, you're admitting that anyone who followed that advice would be a bad GM.
- Morris

He also just admitted he has no idea what he's talking about.

So by virtue of the fact that you think the Oilers should have traded for Schneider, you're admitting that anyone who followed that advice would be a bad GM.
- Morris

Nope. At the time MacT would have been correct in paying for Schneider. Would have filled a glaring hole and a good goalie can build huge confidence in your young players. Instead MacT went the cheap route and his team has suffered for it.

Dozzer was giving you the gears the other day
- Yeti1181

What was that crybaby Duzzer pissing about ?

So by virtue of the fact that you think the Oilers should have traded for Schneider, you're admitting that anyone who followed that advice would be a bad GM.
- Morris

Yo Morris.

Oduya, Boychuk, Green, Martin, Michalek, Erhoff, Staal, Beauchemin, Franson, Hejda, Jackman, Methot, Regehr, Sekera. Who, how many and would it help?

Craig MacTavish hasn't been involved in a wreck this bad since...well you know.

Sad,sad days here in Oilerland.

Nope. At the time MacT would have been correct in paying for Schneider. Would have filled a glaring hole and a good goalie can build huge confidence in your young players. Instead MacT went the cheap route and his team has suffered for it.
- bloatedmosquito

* Blows loudest, longest , wettest fart.

Nope. At the time MacT would have been correct in paying for Schneider. Would have filled a glaring hole and a good goalie can build huge confidence in your young players. Instead MacT went the cheap route and his team has suffered for it.
- bloatedmosquito

But when you look at it in hindsight - as you're looking at it right now - you're using the benefit of "what happened next" to assert that MacT made a wrong move. But "what happens next" cuts both ways. What happened next was that the market for goaltenders came way down, and demonstrated that the price that has at least been speculated MacT would have had to pay was a heck of a lot.

So from my perspective, the statute of limitations on criticizing for Schneider ran out when the market for goalies came down (as you just said it did). And if you want to criticize him for the goalies he's chosen to bring in during the low market period, go right ahead. I'm with you. But I don't think that has a ton to do with what happened when Schneider was available.

Yo Morris.

Oduya, Boychuk, Green, Martin, Michalek, Erhoff, Staal, Beauchemin, Franson, Hejda, Jackman, Methot, Regehr, Sekera. Who, how many and would it help?
- AdamFrench

Not sure why, but I read that whole post in Stallone's voice.

Not sure why, but I read that while post in Stallone's voice.
- Jeropotato

the Yo, man. Reminds me of that old Brisk Iced Tea commercial.

Craig MacTavish hasn't been involved in a wreck this bad since...well you know.

Sad,sad days here in Oilerland.
- Mr.Snrub

That's a bit too harsh.

Not sure why, but I read that whole post in Stallone's voice.
- Jeropotato

Weird, I was going for Snoop Dog.

That's a bit too harsh.
- bloatedmosquito

Whatever.....love Mac T the player and the coach but as GM he has poop the bed and is a target for all of our harshest commentS.

Yo Morris.

Oduya, Boychuk, Green, Martin, Michalek, Erhoff, Staal, Beauchemin, Franson, Hejda, Jackman, Methot, Regehr, Sekera. Who, how many and would it help?
- AdamFrench

I think pretty much all of them would help. The help-cost ratio is the thing MacT seems to waffle about, but it's not like that's not a consideration at all.

But the ones I bolded I just plain like as players. I dunno if they'd fit that perfectly, but all of them can skate pretty well and most of them play pretty simple games. The kind of smarts we need are "poise" as opposed to "creativity".

I think pretty much all of them would help. The help-cost ratio is the thing MacT seems to waffle about, but it's not like that's not a consideration at all.

But the ones I bolded I just plain like as players. I dunno if they'd fit that perfectly, but all of them can skate pretty well and most of them play pretty simple games. The kind of smarts we need are "poise" as opposed to "creativity".
- Morris

We do need those types of smarts....but I want to see adequate more players with fire ( and skills) like Doan, Ott, Dubinski.....some bad tempers would be a good thing.

All things being equal, I think the Oilers are 5 players away from being a playoff team. 3-4 of them need to be far above average players for their role, and we don't have the cap room for them, but I think it's only about 5.

awaiting longest, loudest, wettest, fart.

We do need those types of smarts....but I want to see adequate more players with fire ( and skills) like Doan, Ott, Dubinski.....some bad tempers would be a good thing.
- Jeropotato

I'd love to get a middle centre that has that fire, and a defenseman that has that poise.

We do need those types of smarts....but I want to see adequate more players with fire ( and skills) like Doan, Ott, Dubinski.....some bad tempers would be a good thing.
- Jeropotato

Whoever overpays for Foligno and Vermette will get two really great players that won't produce like that on a different team.