Player value changes from season to season. When Schneider was available teams were getting good returns on trading goalies. Now, not so much.

A good GM understands the market place and reacts accordingly.
- bloatedmosquito

I don't think that Edmonton had a chance at Schnieds. The price for him to be traded in division was so inflated that only a crazy man would have paid it. I assume... Based on MacT's reaction at the draft when the trade was announced, he offered a better package then NJ. MacT has made some significant and bewildering mistakes, but not getting bent over on a Schnieder deal was not one of them.

But when you look at it in hindsight - as you're looking at it right now - you're using the benefit of "what happened next" to assert that MacT made a wrong move. But "what happens next" cuts both ways. What happened next was that the market for goaltenders came way down, and demonstrated that the price that has at least been speculated MacT would have had to pay was a heck of a lot.

So from my perspective, the statute of limitations on criticizing for Schneider ran out when the market for goalies came down (as you just said it did). And if you want to criticize him for the goalies he's chosen to bring in during the low market period, go right ahead. I'm with you. But I don't think that has a ton to do with what happened when Schneider was available.
- Morris

If you want to look at it that way go ahead. But I would excuse MacT for not getting Schneider if he would have taken advantage of the low market.
But he didn't. He even went cheap during a cheap market. Scrivens was bounced from leafs to LA and then to the oil. Cheap (frank)er. Get a proven goalie you donk. You have a team full of rookies. Do you need another unproven player in the most important position in hockey?

If you want to look at it that way go ahead. But I would excuse MacT for not getting Schneider if he would have taken advantage of the low market.
But he didn't. He even went cheap during a cheap market. Scrivens was bounced from leafs to LA and then to the oil. Cheap (frank)er. Get a proven goalie you donk. You have a team full of rookies. Do you need another unproven player in the most important position in hockey?
- bloatedmosquito

That's the bottom line. I don't think the answer was Schneider, but it's not like there's no middle ground between Schneider and what we got.

All things being equal, I think the Oilers are 5 players away from being a playoff team. 3-4 of them need to be far above average players for their role, and we don't have the cap room for them, but I think it's only about 5.

awaiting longest, loudest, wettest, fart.
- Morris

Hmm

Hall-RNH-Pouliot
Foligno-Vermette-Eberle
Perron-Stoll-Yakupov
Hendricks-Gordon-Fleshlight

Martin-Petry
Oduya-Schultz
Fayne-Ference

Nikitin taken to the woodshed

?

But who am I kidding. They probably don't want to get in on this mess unless they get drastically overpaid.

I don't think that Edmonton had a chance at Schnieds. The price for him to be traded in division was so inflated that only a crazy man would have paid it. I assume... Based on MacT's reaction at the draft when the trade was announced, he offered a better package then NJ. MacT has made some significant and bewildering mistakes, but not getting bent over on a Schnieder deal was not one of them.
- CubanBuffet

Sure but now this team is a joke. As a GM would you rather be known as a guy paid too much on one trade or the GM who's orchestrated one of the most embarrassing records ever?

*Kicks in the Door*

Same source as last year tells me MacT has sent an invite to Bryzgalov

All things being equal, I think the Oilers are 5 players away from being a playoff team. 3-4 of them need to be far above average players for their role, and we don't have the cap room for them, but I think it's only about 5.

awaiting longest, loudest, wettest, fart.
- Morris

I don't disagree either. Here's my top 10 areas of need on any team.
1.#1 Center: Ryan Nugent Hopkins
2.#1 D-Man( vacant)
3.Starting Goalie (Vacant)
4.#2 Center (Vacant)
5.Elite scoring Winger : Taylor Hall
6. Checking Center: Gord Boyden
7.#2 Defenseman (Vacant)
8.complimentary scoring Winger : Jordan Eberle
9.#3 Defenseman: Take your pick
10. Complimentary scoring Winger: David Perron

I would rather have holes In the bottom 5 than the top 5...were (frank)ed.

Sure but now this team is a joke. As a GM would you rather be known as a guy paid too much on one trade or the GM who's orchestrated one of the most embarrassing records ever?
- bloatedmosquito

Can we move on from this lame topic? Talk about beating off a dead horse.

I had a quick look at each of those articles you posted and all I saw was one sentence that mentioned oilers and calgary might have had a better offer but no specifics.

I hear this a lot. GMs trade a player and them some other GM that missed out says "I would have offered them more". BS.

I don't have an agenda. Just here to talk hockey. Is that allowed in this thread? Or should I post girly pics and stupid animal gifs? Would you prefer that?
- bloatedmosquito

Well since you know that is what goes on here, then you are clearly just here to troll. You could pull a JB and perhaps (frank) OFF!!!

Can we move on from this lame topic? Talk about beating off a dead horse.
- Jeropotato

Sorry brother, I'll quit.

Sure but now this team is a joke. As a GM would you rather be known as a guy paid too much on one trade or the GM who's orchestrated one of the most embarrassing records ever?
- bloatedmosquito

I agree with your previous post. The error was trying to fill the number one spot on the cheap. Particularly after the brutal start last season, you would have thought that MacT wouldn't want to start this season relying on a goalie being a pleasant surprise.

Buy it's not like Schnieds is the only goalie that has been moved recently, and it's not like goaltending is the Oilers only problem.

Well since you know that is what goes on here, then you are clearly just here to troll. You could pull a JB and perhaps (frank) OFF!!!
- ruttager17

OK, I'll (frank) off.

I don't disagree either. Here's my top 10 areas of need on any team.
1.#1 Center: Ryan Nugent Hopkins
2.#1 D-Man( vacant)
3.Starting Goalie (Vacant)
4.#2 Center (Vacant)
5.Elite scoring Winger : Taylor Hall
6. Checking Center: Gord Boyden
7.#2 Defenseman (Vacant)
8.complimentary scoring Winger : Jordan Eberle
9.#3 Defenseman: Take your pick
10. Complimentary scoring Winger: David Perron

I would rather have holes In the bottom 5 than the top 5...were (frank)ed.
- Jeropotato

The silver lining is that we can cut a lot of fat in the bottom 5 and not suffer ill effects at all. The further from the top of the list of importance, the more the margin for error is.

Good teams with good players in the key positions often actually have a surprising amount of filler on them. I think we could lose two of Purcell, Perron, Eberle, Yakupov, Pouliot and replace them with some journeyman and Pitlick without a ton of fall-off. That is, so long as you've got the premium ducks in a row.

Can we move on from this lame topic? Talk about beating off a dead horse.
- Jeropotato

Actually, ironically enough it was kind of drifting away and then I asked him about it again.

mea culpa. I should ban myself and go to bed.

But yeah, I'm game to drop it now.

Sorry brother, I'll quit.
- bloatedmosquito

Thank Christ.

I agree with your previous post. The error was trying to fill the number one spot on the cheap. Particularly after the brutal start last season, you would have thought that MacT wouldn't want to start this season relying on a goalie being a pleasant surprise.

Buy it's not like Schnieds is the only goalie that has been moved recently, and it's not like goaltending is the Oilers only problem.
- CubanBuffet

True. But I think MacT had an opportunity and missed it. I think people forget that MacT was hired by Gillis to coach the farm team. They had a relationship. That usually is a positive in negotiations.

Schneider is the best goalie I've heard associated with the oilers. I'm I wrong?

The silver lining is that we can cut a lot of fat in the bottom 5 and not suffer ill effects at all. The further from the top of the list of importance, the more the margin for error is.

Good teams with good players in the key positions often actually have a surprising amount of filler on them. I think we could lose two of Purcell, Perron, Eberle, Yakupov, Pouliot and replace them with some journeyman and Pitlick without a ton of fall-off. That is, so long as you've got the premium ducks in a row.
- Morris

Except you won't fill those holes by trading away the "fat" as you call it. Tell Ya what, if we traded Hall and Ebs, and we're able to fill #2,#3, #4 with the returns, we would only be shy the Elire scoring Winger. Perron fills in Ebs Spot, maybe Draisaitl takes the #10 spot and that leaves plenty of opportunity for Yak to become that #4 ( tho I have plenty of doubt he ever will).

True. But I think MacT had an opportunity and missed it. I think people forget that MacT was hired by Gillis to coach the farm team. They had a relationship. That usually is a positive in negotiations.

Schneider is the best goalie I've heard associated with the oilers. I'm I wrong?
- bloatedmosquito

I think Luongo is

True. But I think MacT had an opportunity and missed it. I think people forget that MacT was hired by Gillis to coach the farm team. They had a relationship. That usually is a positive in negotiations.

Schneider is the best goalie I've heard associated with the oilers. I'm I wrong?
- bloatedmosquito

Oh, sorry, I thought you were done. Maybe you and Buffet King can take this to the Nucks thread?

Except you won't fill those holes by trading away the "fat" as you call it. Tell Ya what, if we traded Hall and Ebs, and we're able to fill #2,#3, #4 with the returns, we would only be shy the Elire scoring Winger. Perron fills in Ebs Spot, maybe Draisaitl takes the #10 spot and that leaves plenty of opportunity for Yak to become that #4 ( tho I have plenty of doubt he ever will).
- Jeropotato

Why's Draisaitl never going to be a 2nd line centre?

Besides, you believe all that is necessary for this team to make the playoffs? have you seen some of the crummy teams that make the playoffs? The Flames might get home ice advantage in the playoffs!

Oh, sorry, I thought you were done. Maybe you and Buffet King can take this to the Nucks thread?
- Jeropotato

OK, OK. Now I'm done but if MacT goes out and gets Bryz then you know something's (frank)ed.

Why's Draisaitl never going to be a 2nd line centre?

Besides, you believe all that is necessary for this team to make the playoffs? have you seen some of the crummy teams that make the playoffs? The Flames might get home ice advantage in the playoffs!
- Morris

I think at this point we have to stop calling Calgary a crummy team. Whatever demon monkey god Burke sacrificed to is much too powerful.

Why's Draisaitl never going to be a 2nd line centre?

Besides, you believe all that is necessary for this team to make the playoffs? have you seen some of the crummy teams that make the playoffs? The Flames might get home ice advantage in the playoffs!
- Morris

What? I don't beleive that at all. We need to be a great team that contends for this last 10 years to be worth it, I don't know what your talking about, I never once made that claim.
And Draisaitl will be a 2C and Nurse will be a number #1 D, and we might even have a future starter in Brossoit...what's your point? You seem to be eager to make some assumptions about my stance.

I think at this point we have to stop calling Calgary a crummy team. Whatever demon monkey god Burke sacrificed to is much too powerful.
- AdamFrench

Yeah, they're decent

Yeah, they're decent
- Jeropotato

What the (frank) is a Josh Jooris?