If you're of the opinion that Coburn can't play better then he currently is, I completely disagree with that notion.

What do you think the Flyers should do with Coburn?
- MJL

They should trade him. He is scheduled to be a UFA after the next season at 31 years old. Judging by recent defense contracts, he will probably get around $6 mil over 5 years at least. That wouldn't be so bad except the Flyers will need to resign Voracek, B. Schenn and Couturier. The Flyers current have at current salary cap figures $23 million to spend with only 10 active players and Pronger signed. It would probably cost close to $23 mil just to sign those 4 players not to mentioned if they want to keep Raffl.

This team will not realistically be able to compete for a cup for 2-3 seasons at the earliest so Coburn will be in his mid-30's and most likely in decline. Not to mention he has not shown to ability to carry a defense pairing and at $6 mil is a huge overpayment. They should trade him this season with his value the highest with one more year left on his contract. So in 3-4 season when the Flyers are ready to compete for a cup, they will hopefully have added rising pieces on small contracts with the trade instead of having a huge anchor contract for a declining player.

My friend, you are going to have a long battle to the end of this year, and probably next as well. Best of luck. Have fun?
- flyer_nutter

He's up for the challenge. He plays a well rounded game and plays every shift with intensity.

If the Kings and Flyers swapped all their defensemen, who would be be the better team?

My friend, you are going to have a long battle to the end of this year, and probably next as well. Best of luck. Have fun?
- flyer_nutter

What does that have to do with breakout schemes and fundamental defensive zone play?

I watch the LA KIngs play as much as I can, because I enjoy watching them play. They've been the best possession team in the league the last few years. When I watch them play, I consistently see all their forwards coming back deep to support thier defenseman. I see a lot of short passes made to breaking forwards deep inside the Kings zone. They play as a 5 man unit all up and down the ice. I guess their defenseman need to be babysat, and they're probably exhausted.
- MJL

They also have the best defenseman in the league... Are you really trying to suggest the flyers talent level is close to the kings? Because it sure sounds like you are suggesting that if only the Flyers played like the Kings, they would have the same success.

They should trade him. He is scheduled to be a UFA after the next season at 31 years old. Judging by recent defense contracts, he will probably get around $6 mil over 5 years at least. That wouldn't be so bad except the Flyers will need to resign Voracek, B. Schenn and Couturier. The Flyers current have at current salary cap figures $23 million to spend with only 10 active players and Pronger signed. It would probably cost close to $23 mil just to sign those 4 players not to mentioned if they want to keep Raffl.

This team will not realistically be able to compete for a cup for 2-3 seasons at the earliest so Coburn will be in his mid-30's and most likely in decline. Not to mention he has not shown to ability to carry a defense pairing and at $6 mil is a huge overpayment. They should trade him this season with his value the highest with one more year left on his contract. So in 3-4 season when the Flyers are ready to compete for a cup, they will hopefully have added rising pieces on small contracts with the trade instead of having a huge anchor contract for a declining player.
- psuhockey

What do you think the Flyers could get for Coburn?

What does that have to do with breakout schemes and fundamental defensive zone play?
- MJL

Je ne sais pas.

By all means, have at 'er. I think they are a piece of poop trash fire starting at the top.

They will be back, but have to weather the storm.

They also have the best defenseman in the league... Are you really trying to suggest the flyers talent level is close to the kings? Because it sure sounds like you are suggesting that if only the Flyers played like the Kings, they would have the same success.
- psuhockey

Its obvious, no?

The Kings just want to be better than the Flyers.. and they want it so much more that it has actually won them 2 cups.

#GOTTAWANNAHAVEITSOGOGETIT
#WORKHARDWINCUP

What do you think the Flyers could get for Coburn?
- MJL

I think they could get a late 1st rd pick this year. I personally would take Edmonton's 2nd this year plus a another pick and or prospect.

If the Kings and Flyers swapped all their defensemen, who would be be the better team?
- Feanor

First off, if we got Doughty in any scenario, I'd be jumping for joy. Secondly, it'd be close, but i'd take the Flyers talent.

I hated playing for the drill sergeant coaches. They always seemed to be dumbest ones too. They'd hide their lack of knowledge about the sport by yelling at you and making sure you never questioned their authority.
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't think Murray is a drill sargeant or lacks knowledge of the game. I just think that they see in Hagg potential to be an impact player if he's willing to put in the work. The kid has likely gotten by on talent alone at every level he's played at, but if he is going to be a better than average NHL player, he'll need to give it more.

If the Kings and Flyers swapped all their defensemen, who would be be the better team?
- Feanor

The Flyers. But it's close.

I don't think Murray is a drill sargeant or lacks knowledge of the game. I just think that they see in Hagg potential to be an impact player if he's willing to put in the work. The kid has likely gotten by on talent alone at every level he's played at, but if he is going to be a better than average NHL player, he'll need to give it more.
- BiggE

Sometimes you need a velvet glove, others you need a steel toed boot. Whichever it is, the key is finding what works for each guy.

Because this isn't NHL15, you can't just get a whole crop of UFAs and unproven rookies and expect them to play anything resembling competent hockey. I'd prefer not to go through another season like this.
- jmatchett383

But this isnt a competent hockey team and it won't be until those rookies are able to come up. There are plenty of decent-good FA D. You will easily be able to lure a few to play for a team like Philly.

By the way, I'm selling my Flyers/Penguins tix if anyone is interested.

What do you think the Flyers could get for Coburn?
- MJL

Paul Gaustad got a 1st round at the deadline. With that in mind Coburn could definately get a 1st+

But this isnt a competent hockey team and it won't be until those rookies are able to come up. There are plenty of decent-good FA D. You will easily be able to lure a few to play for a team like Philly.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You go and say this is not a competent team, which will only be made more so by moving players and replacing them in-season with lesser players (i.e. replacing Grossmann with Lauridsen), and then go on to say that good FA's will want to play here? UFAs have their pick of where to go, and generally want to go somewhere where they can (a) win or (b) be put in a position to succeed so they can cash in big-time on their next contract. I don't think a team that isn't competent is able to offer either of those things.

They also have the best defenseman in the league... Are you really trying to suggest the flyers talent level is close to the kings? Because it sure sounds like you are suggesting that if only the Flyers played like the Kings, they would have the same success.
- psuhockey

You badly missed the point. We all know how much better the Kings defenseman are then the Flyers. And yet their forwards consistently come back deep in support of their defenseman, to help out defensively, and to breakout the puck. So is it because their defenseman need to be "babysat" or is it because that's the right way to play?

The one fear, is the constant choke jobs. I don't blame all on him, because the core has been largely the same but I am not super high on bringing in a guy that has "choker" branded into his ass.
- flyer_nutter

so what about every flyers coach for the past 40 years?

I think they could get a late 1st rd pick this year. I personally would take Edmonton's 2nd this year plus a another pick and or prospect.
- psuhockey

Contradiction here. You make comments about Coburn as a player, and how he can't play better. And how his brain is part of his talent, and he can't play away from Timonen. And yet you expect to get that kind of value from another team for him? I would think you'd only get that kind of value if you were trading a pretty good defenseman.

so what about every flyers coach for the past 40 years?
- 2Real

So you want to keep the tradition going?

Also, we all know that Berube would be leading this team to an 82-0 season if we could just get Coburn out of the lineup, seeing as he's the worst defenseman in NHL history.

What do you think the Flyers could get for Coburn?
- MJL

Earlier someone on here said trade Coburn for a 1st rnd pk and a prospect. That would depend on who you're trading with.

EDM has reportedly been interested in Coby for the past few years. Obviously they're not trading their 2015 1st with a chance to get McDavid or Eichel. That said, trading Coby to EDM for their 2015 2nd would be like getting a late 1st round pick. 2015 2nd along with a D prospect Marincin or Klefbom would be a good deal IMO. But of course Coby has a NTC/NMC per capgeek. (Not sure if its partial or full.)

Any chance NYI would want MacDonald back? They tried to resign him before the trading him at the deadline last year and they're headed for the playoffs. He doesn't have a NTC/NMC either.

I'd take our 2nd round pick back for him, since it looks like it will be high.

Glad to see that the much sought-after "TRADE EVERYTHING FOR HIM!" Zach Bogosian is now out 4-6 weeks. Man, if only we had a reliable superstar player like him.

Earlier someone on here said trade Coburn for a 1st rnd pk and a prospect. That would depend on who you're trading with.

EDM has reportedly been interested in Coby for the past few years. Obviously they're not trading their 2015 1st with a chance to get McDavid or Eichel. That said, trading Coby to EDM for their 2015 2nd would be like getting a late 1st round pick. 2015 2nd along with a D prospect Marincin or Klefbom would be a good deal IMO. But of course Coby has a NTC/NMC per capgeek. (Not sure if its partial or full.)

Any chance NYI would want MacDonald back? They tried to resign him before the trading him at the deadline last year and they're headed for the playoffs. He doesn't have a NTC/NMC either.

I'd take our 2nd round pick back for him, since it looks like it will be high.
- kellyblaise7

NYI offered AMac (reportedly) $4M for 4 years. Not sure they're keen on $5M for 6 years.

I don't think Edmonton gets you the best return on Coburn if you're trading him this year. They likely want to hold onto their young players and prospects. The better idea may be to find a contender with some D missing at the TDL when you can create a bidding war, if you move him at all.

Contradiction here. You make comments about Coburn as a player, and how he can't play better. And how his brain is part of his talent, and he can't play away from Timonen. And yet you expect to get that kind of value from another team for him? I would think you'd only get that kind of value if you were trading a pretty good defenseman.
- MJL

Andrew MacDonald got a 2nd and a 3rd. Douglass Murray got 2 2nd rd picks. I don't consider either good defensemen. Coburn is at least a number 4 defensemen unlike those stiffs so thus the higher return. Teams alway overpay at the deadline.

The Flyers also gave a 2nd and 4th for the animated corpse of Pavel Kubina plus a 2nd and 3rd for Grossmann.