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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 4 @ 12:30 PM ET
I'm ok with moving Coburn but only if they can at least get a late 1st
- BiggE


I have a feeling we'll see a lot of 2016 top-90 picks getting dealt this TDL, with teams naturally wanting to keep their 2015's.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:30 PM ET
I'm ok with moving Coburn but only if they can at least get a late 1st
- BiggE


He may be a 2-3 guy playing a #1 on the ice, but, realistically, he's the only one they have. I'm not in a great rush to be rid of him.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 4 @ 12:31 PM ET
I don't want to trade them all. I know you need some guys to return. I think:

Coburn- Could bring decent package and maybe more if you package in Read or someone
MacDonald- I would prefer to move that deal and use money elsewhere
Grossmann/Schenn- I think one could be moved.
Del Zotto- Would move for right price but fine bring back.
Streit - Will be back
Schultz- could come back again as the number 7.

- J35Bacher


So you'd be cool with moving 3-4 of them? You want to redo 1/2 of our back end this season? Sorry, I'm gonna disagree, unless you get no-brainer offers. Maybe 1 or 2, but no more.
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Dec 4 @ 12:32 PM ET
I don't want to trade them all. I know you need some guys to return. I think:

Coburn- Could bring decent package and maybe more if you package in Read or someone
MacDonald- I would prefer to move that deal and use money elsewhere
Grossmann/Schenn- I think one could be moved.
Del Zotto- Would move for right price but fine bring back.
Streit - Will be back
Schultz- could come back again as the number 7.

- J35Bacher


It would depend on the return for some of these guys. I wouldn't trade them just to dump them, although I would love to move Macdonald, I don't want to be tied to that length of a deal. If they can't sign Del Zotto and Schultz for cap friendly numbers next year before the trade deadline, I would move both of them for the best deal that I can get.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Dec 4 @ 12:33 PM ET
19 and already getting basically called out by your head coach. Don't know how i feel about that.
- Yosimar89


I hate the tough love approach this organization takes with every player. He's 19 and inconsistent. So is every 19 year old. It's like these coaches want to make coming to work miserable for every player.
GeorgeBailey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 08.16.2006

Dec 4 @ 12:35 PM ET
I've been meaning to write this for sometime.

With regard to shoot-outs, Mason is consistently between 1 to 2 feet further back in the net than where he should be. While Perry went 5-hole, he could have shot toward any corner and hit it as Mason was too far back in the net. Again, this has been the case from as far back as I can remember. I'd have to look at the replays a bit more to see if he is not coming out far enough initially or if he starts to back in too early and/or quickly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the goals he gives up have been from shots, not dekes. Part of this is Reese's fault, as he should be noticing this and working with Mason to fix this. But, I'm not holding my breath as I never got the impression he ever worked successfully to fix blatant weaknesses with Bob or Biron.

Do they work on the shoot-out in practice? If so, I can see a self-perpetuating pattern. The forwards score consistently, thinking they have fixed their problem, but, then, face goaltenders that challenge them and they find they have nothing to shoot at. Conversely, Mason continues to feel like he sucks at shoot-outs. I get the sense that the team and Mason both go into a shoot-out thinking they will lose.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:36 PM ET
I have a feeling we'll see a lot of 2016 top-90 picks getting dealt this TDL, with teams naturally wanting to keep their 2015's.
- Tomahawk


"I'll take that contract, but you aren't getting a pick in this draft for it."

Yeah, I can see that happening.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Dec 4 @ 12:36 PM ET
I hate the tough love approach this organization takes with every player. He's 19 and inconsistent. So is every 19 year old. It's like these coaches want to make coming to work miserable for every player.
- PhillySportsGuy



It's micro management NHL style
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Dec 4 @ 12:36 PM ET
So you'd be cool with moving 3-4 of them? You want to redo 1/2 of our back end this season? Sorry, I'm gonna disagree, unless you get no-brainer offers. Maybe 1 or 2, but no more.
- jmatchett383


That's how I feel. I'd prefer they move Schenn and MacDonald.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Dec 4 @ 12:40 PM ET
So you'd be cool with moving 3-4 of them? You want to redo 1/2 of our back end this season? Sorry, I'm gonna disagree, unless you get no-brainer offers. Maybe 1 or 2, but no more.
- jmatchett383


If the team is clearly out of the playoff picture pretty early on I am fine with moving two or three current d-men for picks in the upcoming draft and promoting Manning and Alt if need be.

Ideally, Hextall is able to move two d-men and Lecavelier at the deadline for picks/cheaper players. Not sure how likely that is though.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 4 @ 12:41 PM ET
So you'd be cool with moving 3-4 of them? You want to redo 1/2 of our back end this season? Sorry, I'm gonna disagree, unless you get no-brainer offers. Maybe 1 or 2, but no more.
- jmatchett383


For me, it depends on the return. And who could be had as a FA in the off season.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:41 PM ET
who should we trade to the sharks?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:41 PM ET
That's how I feel. I'd prefer they move Schenn and MacDonald.
- Streit2ThePoint

why not coburn surely someone would want our stud dman coburn
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Dec 4 @ 12:42 PM ET
why not coburn surely someone would want our stud dman coburn
- 2Real


29 teams would take Coburn.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 4 @ 12:42 PM ET
who should we trade to the sharks?
- 2Real


I hope they deal Coburn to the Sharks, just to troll you.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Dec 4 @ 12:42 PM ET
That's how I feel. I'd prefer they move Schenn and MacDonald.
- Streit2ThePoint


I would agree with those two as well but I just see Grossmann being moved at the deadline. Maybe get them a 2nd or 3rd
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Dec 4 @ 12:44 PM ET
who should we trade to the sharks?
- 2Real



Why not Vinny. He is already out on the west coast. It would be a perfect spot for retirement next year
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:45 PM ET
I hate the tough love approach this organization takes with every player. He's 19 and inconsistent. So is every 19 year old. It's like these coaches want to make coming to work miserable for every player.
- PhillySportsGuy


So you'd prefer they didn't try to push these guys to being the best they can be and maybe winning a Stanley Cup? They want to be professionals, right?

"It's okay, sonny, you did what you could. Here's your certificate of participation; I'm sure your parents are proud of you."
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 4 @ 12:46 PM ET
If the team is clearly out of the playoff picture pretty early on
- mcefalu


They are.

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 4 @ 12:47 PM ET
who should we trade to the sharks?
- 2Real


We just have to find out which of our players are cool with choking in the post-season.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Dec 4 @ 12:49 PM ET
They are.
- Scoob


Judging by their play, yes. I'm just waiting for the math to confirm it. Shouldn't take long.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:49 PM ET
It totally pays for itself within a few months, with their stupid rental fees being what they are. No need to even get an expensive one.
- Tomahawk


Gonna plug it into itinerary believe.

Teach biggE how to give a nickname
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:50 PM ET
For me, it depends on the return. And who could be had as a FA in the off season.
- wolfhounds


Like I mentioned before, the quality FAs will be looking for years in their deals. If the kids in the system aren't nearly ready, that's fine; if they're closer, you're just making them wait in the wings longer.

Hexy will prove his worth in the evaluation field (and negotiations) this summer, I hope.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Dec 4 @ 12:50 PM ET
who should we trade to the sharks?
- 2Real


Burns for Coburn + Umberger
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Dec 4 @ 12:51 PM ET
Few weeks away
- ob18



I thought he was back
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