think you're being too critical of mason last night. he was excellent, and i put nothing on him for any of the 4 goals.

goal 1 was identical to the sharks first goal the night before. 3 on 2, late trailer point blank from the slot. deflected/partially screened. goal 2 another snipe from in close by a sniper on an oddman. goal 3 bad coverage, turnover, looking the other way trying to find the puck, goal 4 on a pp, snipe while trying to find the puck on a broken play in front.

i think he was poor in the SO, which he generally always seems to be. at that point, it's just as much on the other players to score. and our 2 best players did not.

blown lead, blown coverages, bad physical mistakes - this is a bad team, playing badly. and even with that, they still could have taken all 4 points from these last 2 games and only got one because of a last second fortunate heroics by simmonds.

nice to see some 2ndary scoring, at ES and on the PP. PK was better. still not enough.

as for hagg - there seems to be a constant narrative about his drive/compete level. i worry now - 30 games into his pro career that that's all people are going to see and look for things to make it fit the narrative. how about giving the guy some (frank)ing space to adapt to a new everything and let him grow instead of giving him poop immediately. the fact that this is even being talked about publicly pisses me the (frank) off. this is why we can't have nice things.

I've never believed calling a player out in public does him any good. The Flyers seem to live by this method. Murray should exhaust all other forms of motivation before calling Hagg out in public. He's 19 years old spending his first season in the states likely without any family. This is a major adjustment for him. Give the kid a (frank)ing break.
- PhillySportsGuy

i think thats the difference a lot of times between the good coaches, bosses, supervisors, parents, ect.

make the person understand why they are seemingly subjected to harsher criticism.

wanting to not disappoint someone you respect sometimes works out a lot better and has a lot harder pull on someone than merely trying to prevent some jerk who you obviously think has it out for you chewing you out one more time.
- stayinthefnnet

Something I have always found to be true to me..

The people who push you more, whether it be coaches, teachers, etc., are often the ones you dislike the most at the time. Fast forward a bit and you realize why they were pushing you, and you respect them even more.

My least favorite coach of all-time nearly made me quit about 5 times. Now I know why he was pushing me that whole time, and I respect him immensely.

So a team without top 3 defensemen is going to somehow get better without being able to sign or trade for top 3 defensemen? Or the rookies are going to come in and play at a top 3 defensemen level right away?
- psuhockey

I see a lot of players on this team that can play a hell of a lot better. I see corrrectable errors made, such as all 3 forwards deep, and a defenseman decides to pinch leading to goal against. I see a forward making a bad decision, not getting the puck in deep leading to a turnover and goal scored with 11 seconds left to lose a game. All preventable and correctable. Other then the obvious personel changes that need to be made, there is plenty of room for improvement currently in this team. Without a single player move.

I disagree. There's no reason to think that this team is destined to be just as bad as they currently are next year. I understand the current frustration level. But even this current team should be much better then they are. They just have to get their act together and correct what can be corrected. Also saying that there is nothing that Hextall can do about is not the case either. A lot can change in an off season.
- MJL

I agree with you that " a lot of change can happen in the off season"as it should.
This is not a playoff team IMO and I feel guilty for wanting them to be a bottom feeder this year, but I really do believe it is best for them in the long run.
If Hextall can make SMART moves via trade/FA. ( no Zombie deals).. And we get a top 5 pick ( hopefully 1-2) they could be easily in a solid playoff hunt next year.
This is the year to go into " Tankmode"

Because this isn't NHL15, you can't just get a whole crop of UFAs and unproven rookies and expect them to play anything resembling competent hockey. I'd prefer not to go through another season like this.
- jmatchett383

Our d has been subpar for more then just this year.

I am not saying trade them all. But I do think at the TDL they should be willing to move a guy like Coburn if the return is significant. Like wise I think moving MacDonald might be ok to gain some cap flexibility and get some picks back.

I would rather trade coburn for a nice package and then maybe in UFA you look at someone like Bartowski on a shorter less expensive deal and let one or two kids move into the lineup.

think you're being too critical of mason last night. he was excellent, and i put nothing on him for any of the 4 goals.

goal 1 was identical to the sharks first goal the night before. 3 on 2, late trailer point blank from the slot. deflected/partially screened. goal 2 another snipe from in close by a sniper on an oddman. goal 3 bad coverage, turnover, looking the other way trying to find the puck, goal 4 on a pp, snipe while trying to find the puck on a broken play in front.

i think he was poor in the SO, which he generally always seems to be. at that point, it's just as much on the other players to score. and our 2 best players did not.

blown lead, blown coverages, bad physical mistakes - this is a bad team, playing badly. and even with that, they still could have taken all 4 points from these last 2 games and only got one because of a last second fortunate heroics by simmonds.

nice to see some 2ndary scoring, at ES and on the PP. PK was better. still not enough.

as for hagg - there seems to be a constant narrative about his drive/compete level. i worry now - 30 games into his pro career that that's all people are going to see and look for things to make it fit the narrative. how about giving the guy some (frank)ing space to adapt to a new everything and let him grow instead of giving him poop immediately. the fact that this is even being talked about publicly pisses me the (frank) off. this is why we can't have nice things.
- hammarby31

This hurts me.

Good post otherwise, though. Spot on

think you're being too critical of mason last night. he was excellent, and i put nothing on him for any of the 4 goals.

goal 1 was identical to the sharks first goal the night before. 3 on 2, late trailer point blank from the slot. deflected/partially screened. goal 2 another snipe from in close by a sniper on an oddman. goal 3 bad coverage, turnover, looking the other way trying to find the puck, goal 4 on a pp, snipe while trying to find the puck on a broken play in front.

i think he was poor in the SO, which he generally always seems to be. at that point, it's just as much on the other players to score. and our 2 best players did not.

blown lead, blown coverages, bad physical mistakes - this is a bad team, playing badly. and even with that, they still could have taken all 4 points from these last 2 games and only got one because of a last second fortunate heroics by simmonds.

nice to see some 2ndary scoring, at ES and on the PP. PK was better. still not enough.

as for hagg - there seems to be a constant narrative about his drive/compete level. i worry now - 30 games into his pro career that that's all people are going to see and look for things to make it fit the narrative. how about giving the guy some (frank)ing space to adapt to a new everything and let him grow instead of giving him poop immediately. the fact that this is even being talked about publicly pisses me the (frank) off. this is why we can't have nice things.
- hammarby31

Yes. (frank) this organization for thinking the best form of motivation is publicly talking about their players' faults. Hagg doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who needs to be taken down a peg either. He strikes me as the type of player who would play better with more encouragement.

Something I have always found to be true to me..

The people who push you more, whether it be coaches, teachers, etc., are often the ones you dislike the most at the time. Fast forward a bit and you realize why they were pushing you, and you respect them even more.

My least favorite coach of all-time nearly made me quit about 5 times. Now I know why he was pushing me that whole time, and I respect him immensely.
- jak521

yeah exactly. and im just saying, good coaching/leadership is the ability to drive home the point of why. some guys try to convey it differently, and some guys are only made aware of it certain ways. i can only speak personally as to what works for me, but a key factor of excelling in that leadership role is having the capacity and ability to adapt and convey it to a variety of different learners

This hurts me.

Good post otherwise, though. Spot on
- Giroux_Is_God

but pp, pk, es, sh, so - those do not hurt you?

I've never believed calling a player out in public does him any good. The Flyers seem to live by this method. Murray should exhaust all other forms of motivation before calling Hagg out in public. He's 19 years old spending his first season in the states likely without any family. This is a major adjustment for him. Give the kid a (frank)ing break.
- PhillySportsGuy

You're acting like the kid will be decimated by this. If he can't handle that, then he needs to get a lot tougher mentally.

I agree with you that " a lot of change can happen in the off season"as it should.
This is not a playoff team IMO and I feel guilty for wanting them to be a bottom feeder this year, but I really do believe it is best for them in the long run.
If Hextall can make SMART moves via trade/FA. ( no Zombie deals).. And we get a top 5 pick ( hopefully 1-2) they could be easily in a solid playoff hunt next year.
This is the year to go into " Tankmode"
- 3flyerkids

I agree.

I hate being a bottom feeder but getting top 2 would move this rebuild into fast forward. Also i think McDavid and Eichel could start on the wing which also helps this team.

Yes. (frank) this organization for thinking the best form of motivation is publicly talking about their players' faults. Hagg doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who needs to be taken down a peg either. He strikes me as the type of player who would play better with more encouragement.
- PhillySportsGuy

he's what, 19 or 20 in his first full season in north america in the minors. i get the coaches job is to push, challenge and foster development - but it doesn't need to be in the media, especially at this stage. patience much? jfc.

but pp, pk, es, sh, so - those do not hurt you?
- hammarby31

No, because they're ya knOW ACTUAL REAL LIFE ACRONYMS

You're acting like the kid will be decimated by this. If he can't handle that, then he needs to get a lot tougher mentally.
- MJL

Yes, he'll be 90% the player he would have been.

but pp, pk, es, sh, so - those do not hurt you?
- hammarby31

they are sport specific jargon and thus acceptable

Edmonton, Carolina, Columbus, Buffalo.

I am not sure the Flyers will finish below any of these teams. Maybe one.

The NHL will ensure Buffalo is in the top two, it has the chance of being a very lucrative market if the team improves.

I wont believe for a second that the draft isn't influenced by the league until they make the actual selection process public. Not just opening up some cards willy wonka style.

he's what, 19 or 20 in his first full season in north america in the minors. i get the coaches job is to push, challenge and foster development - but it doesn't need to be in the media, especially at this stage. patience much? jfc.
- hammarby31

it also probably has an effect on other young players, who now feel the need to press rather than face being the next guy whipped in the town square.

they are sport specific jargon and thus acceptable
- stayinthefnnet

Do you believe Berube is getting the most out of this roster?
- PhillySportsGuy

This team is very disapointing right now. Lot of players coming up short. I won't put that on Berube.

You're acting like the kid will be decimated by this. If he can't handle that, then he needs to get a lot tougher mentally.
- MJL

Well, we might as well find out how tough he is now, right!?!?! Every 19 year old should be ridiculed to separate the weak from the strong. Survival of the fittest. Thats the Flyer way.

Hey Ghost, you piece of poop, why don't you play better defense or you'll be scooping up stale popcorn off of the Regal floors you bumhole!

I've never believed calling a player out in public does him any good. The Flyers seem to live by this method. Murray should exhaust all other forms of motivation before calling Hagg out in public. He's 19 years old spending his first season in the states likely without any family. This is a major adjustment for him. Give the kid a (frank)ing break.
- PhillySportsGuy

And maybe he's tried and it hasn't sunk in. We'll see how Hagg responds.

I'm not going to go round and round with you on this all day - we're of differing opinions. It's cool.

Well, we might as well find out how tough he is now, right!?!?! Every 19 year old should be ridiculed to separate the weak from the strong. Survival of the fittest. Thats the Flyer way.

Hey Ghost, you piece of poop, why don't you play better defense or you'll be scooping up stale popcorn off of the Regal floors you bumhole!
- PhillySportsGuy

thatll learn him good

he's what, 19 or 20 in his first full season in north america in the minors. i get the coaches job is to push, challenge and foster development - but it doesn't need to be in the media, especially at this stage. patience much? jfc.
- hammarby31

+1

Edmonton, Carolina, Columbus, Buffalo.

I am not sure the Flyers will finish below any of these teams. Maybe one.

The NHL will ensure Buffalo is in the top two, it has the chance of being a very lucrative market if the team improves.

I wont believe for a second that the draft isn't influenced by the league until they make the actual selection process public. Not just opening up some cards willy wonka style.
- flyer_nutter

I think Columbus will slowly creep up in the standings. I see Edmonton at the very bottom, followed by Carolina, Buffalo, Flyers