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puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Dec 5 @ 6:46 PM ET
More then a few years.


2015-16: $2,888,889
2016-17: $2,888,889
2017-18: $2,388,889
2018-19: $888,889
2019-20: $888,889
2020-21: $888,889

Personally, if he can't be dealt. Which right now, I don't think he can be, I'd buyout Lecavalier and keep Umberger.

- MJL


I agree, (I don't see anyone taking him, unless "Homer" gets a GM job somewhere).
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Dec 5 @ 6:47 PM ET

- Tomahawk

TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Dec 5 @ 6:50 PM ET
TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT
- KINGKENZO




BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Dec 5 @ 7:04 PM ET
try screaming at it
- BulliesPhan87


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 5 @ 7:13 PM ET
http://www.philly.com/phi...pardy-Flyers-GM-says.html
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 5 @ 7:14 PM ET
More then a few years.


2015-16: $2,888,889
2016-17: $2,888,889
2017-18: $2,388,889
2018-19: $888,889
2019-20: $888,889
2020-21: $888,889

Personally, if he can't be dealt. Which right now, I don't think he can be, I'd buyout Lecavalier and keep Umberger.

- MJL


Just out of curiosity as a hypothetical, let's say Umberger continues on this relative pace he's at and is a UFA this summer. He's looking for any kind of one year one way deal. How much money do you think he would get on the open market?
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Dec 5 @ 7:16 PM ET
Kelly Friesen ‏@KellyFriesen 9m9 minutes ago

Flyers pick Travis Sanheim had 5 goals and 29 points in 67 games last year... he already has 10 goals and 27 points in 28 games this year
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 5 @ 7:17 PM ET
Just out of curiosity as a hypothetical, let's say Umberger continues on this relative pace he's at and is a UFA this summer. He's looking for any kind of one year one way deal. How much money do you think he would get on the open market?
- Just5


Talking about point wise? Hard to say, but not much. He'd probably have to wait until later in the season. Or even possibly have to go to camp on a PTO.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 5 @ 7:17 PM ET
Kelly Friesen ‏@KellyFriesen 9m9 minutes ago

Flyers pick Travis Sanheim had 5 goals and 29 points in 67 games last year... he already has 10 goals and 27 points in 28 games this year

- wilsonecho91


Fast tracking to the NHL. I love it.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 5 @ 7:20 PM ET
I don't advocate tanking, I advocate having a realistic view of your team & it's chances.

Based on talent, the Flyers should be a bubble team. There are a lot of pieces under performing. The list includes core guys(Simmonds, Couturier), old vets on their last gasp(Lecavalier & Umberger) and guys in the middle(Read, Coburn).

Even if those players were performing to expected levels, this team is not a contender, or even a piece or two away. They face serious cap issues. I have zero issues with them deciding to sell.

In terms if building, you need smart trades, drafting and free agency to be a winner. What they need to avoid is giving fading or mediocre players big contracts. No long term deals to Lecavaliers & AMacs. Find more MDZ types & save the long deals for key guys

- Jsaquella


Connor Mcdavid is only a day dream for me. I want this team to continue to play and let the chips land where they may. Do not embarrass the organization, the fans or the city of Philadelphia by tanking just to tank. By facing the Ducks and Kings already and by also facing the Rangers three times, shouldn't the worst of the season already be behind us?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 5 @ 7:21 PM ET
Kelly Friesen ‏@KellyFriesen 9m9 minutes ago

Flyers pick Travis Sanheim had 5 goals and 29 points in 67 games last year... he already has 10 goals and 27 points in 28 games this year

- wilsonecho91

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 5 @ 7:22 PM ET
Connor Mcdavid is only a day dream for me. I want this team to continue to play and let the chips land where they may. Do not embarrass organization, the fans or the city of Philadelphia by tanking just to tank. By facing the Ducks and Kings already and by also facing the Rangers three times, shouldn't the worst of the season already be behind us?
- SuperSchennBros


I certainly hope the worst of the season is behind them. Can it get much worse?

Well said on letting the chips land where they may.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 5 @ 7:23 PM ET
Talking about point wise? Hard to say, but not much. He'd probably have to wait until later in the season. Or even possibly have to go to camp on a PTO.
- MJL


I'm ok if they want to keep him around next year I guess and buy him out next summer if they want to shave a year of the buyout.

If it were up to me I wash my hands this summer of both. I understand the cap ramifications but the dead weight on the roster bothers me more.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 5 @ 7:28 PM ET
I'm ok if they want to keep him around next year I guess and buy him out next summer if they want to shave a year of the buyout.

If it were up to me I wash my hands this summer of both. I understand the cap ramifications but the dead weight on the roster bothers me more.

- Just5


If they need the cap space to do something else, then go ahead. I personally have not closed the book on Umberger yet. I doubt that he improves enough to make it worth his cap hit, but I do think he can play better hockey then he has to this point.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 5 @ 7:29 PM ET
Mike Richards had a mediocre first 2 seasons (injuries played a part in 06/07, as did the roster), until he finally broke out in the 07/08 season, which was probably his best season overall. I don't think Laughton will ever break out offensively like Richards did, but there's no reason he can't be a solid 2nd/3rd line center who can get time on both the PP and PK.
- jmatchett383


I think the point was missed earlier today by my thoughts of Laughton. I like Laughton a lot. However, if the Flyers bottomed out and we ended up drafting McDavid, I would choose Sean Couturier over Scott Laughton in terms trying to build a winner. To me, we have our shutdown center of the future. With this said, I understand that Couturier should bring in a far greater return right now, I'm not exactly pushing either out the door right now.

I think Scott Laughton is a breath of fresh air right now. He missed a chance of making the team out of camp this year. He was sent back to juniors in 2013. He's playing like his ass is on fire to keepbhis spot because he could still be sent down if he shows any signs of not being an NHL player.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 5 @ 7:30 PM ET
I certainly hope the worst of the season is behind them. Can it get much worse?

Well said on letting the chips land where they may.

- MJL


I just feel like we've already faced the toughest part of the overall schedule.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 5 @ 7:34 PM ET
Connor Mcdavid is only a day dream for me. I want this team to continue to play and let the chips land where they may. Do not embarrass the organization, the fans or the city of Philadelphia by tanking just to tank. By facing the Ducks and Kings already and by also facing the Rangers three times, shouldn't the worst of the season already be behind us?
- SuperSchennBros


I think they should continue to try to win. They need to avoid the trap of thinking that adding a depth defenseman at the cost of a 2nd rounder will make them a good enough team to compete.

They also need to decide that if they get a good enough offer, to trade away a guy who can help right now to add draft picks and/or prospects and provide cap relief for next season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 5 @ 7:40 PM ET
I think they should continue to try to win. They need to avoid the trap of thinking that adding a depth defenseman at the cost of a 2nd rounder will make them a good enough team to compete.

They also need to decide that if they get a good enough offer, to trade away a guy who can help right now to add draft picks and/or prospects and provide cap relief for next season.

- Jsaquella


They have 8 defenseman, so I don't see them looking to trade for a depth defenseman. They already have plenty. I don't think there is any doubt that some of those defenseman, won't be back next year to make room for one or more of the young defenseman to make the team.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 5 @ 7:42 PM ET
PhillySportPast ‏@PhillySportPast 29s29 seconds ago

12/5/2005: The #Flyers traded @10PSharp & Eric Meloche to the #Blackhawks for Matt Ellison & a 3rd-round draft pick http://bit.ly/1bHab4H
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Dec 5 @ 7:45 PM ET
PhillySportPast ‏@PhillySportPast 29s29 seconds ago

12/5/2005: The #Flyers traded @10PSharp & Eric Meloche to the #Blackhawks for Matt Ellison & a 3rd-round draft pick http://bit.ly/1bHab4H

- Jsaquella


"Sharp" move.

Groan
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 5 @ 7:46 PM ET
"Sharp" move.

Groan

- puckhead17


Everyone is too positive. I need more people blaming Berube and Holmgren without objectivity and misunderstanding posts
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 5 @ 8:01 PM ET
Kelly Friesen ‏@KellyFriesen 9m9 minutes ago

Flyers pick Travis Sanheim had 5 goals and 29 points in 67 games last year... he already has 10 goals and 27 points in 28 games this year

- wilsonecho91

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 5 @ 8:04 PM ET
Islanders calling up Ryan Pulock who has 8 goals in 20 games for Bridgeport
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

Dec 5 @ 8:22 PM ET
It is indeed. I want a wall of Grossmanns
- Jsaquella

rex or stan?
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Dec 5 @ 8:26 PM ET
Everyone is too positive. I need more people blaming Berube and Holmgren without objectivity and misunderstanding posts
- Jsaquella



I don't blame Berube, benching VL shows that he's holding players accountable. But every coach has his favorites.
He can only play the cards he's dealt.
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