Maybe. Isles will need to pony up to keep him especially going into a new venue and rebuilding their fan base.
- golfbard

Honestly, he already has a feel for the team, what other team is going to give him $6 per like NYI likely will AND be in a better contending position moving forward?

I hope you're correct. The loonie is headed towards 6 bits and I can't imagine seeing the 7 teams up North dealing too well with that, even the Leafs.

If the cap stays about even, the 'Hawks will have to shed $15-16M of current cap hits to keep the defence and re-sign guys like Saad and Kruger. The net increase $8.4M of the wonder twins next season only complicates things further.

Guess we shall see, eh?
- blackhawk24

15-16mil will have to be shed? really?you do realize that means bickell sharp and seabrook would have to go and that still isn't 15mil....you trade Bickell as a salary dump, and you are in much much better position...Then if you have to Sharp goes, which will give you added cap room...but 15-16mil??don't get me wrong I don't want to tick you off, but where did you get that number from?

this is uncharted territory

theyve never been leaned on like this before

theyve already won cups and were just handed top dollar, literally

now they are going to be expected to do the same year in and year out, while the team around them gets dismantled to accompany them

not at all saying theyre a disappointment, but they will really need to do more than "keep the team competitive" in the coming years at those price tags
- FourFeathers773

The team won't be "dismantled" - assuming they can "dump" Sharp and Bickell, that saves something over $8MM net - Roszival (if not resigned) gets you another $1MM net - so losing one top-6 forward, one bottom-6 forward, and one third-pairing defenseman saves them about $9MM. With any luck, that could be enough.

The trick may be to get Sharp to waive his NTC or whatever he has, and you might not get much back for Sharp and Bickell, but you still have the guts of a competitive team there (if maybe not a Cup-competing team for the year or two it would take to bring the youngsters up to NHL speed, including TvR).

Of course, if the Looney drops to US$.75, all bets are off.

The Toews and Kane contracts will never be "bargains" - they will be workable within three years.

this is uncharted territory

theyve never been leaned on like this before

theyve already won cups and were just handed top dollar, literally

now they are going to be expected to do the same year in and year out, while the team around them gets dismantled to accompany theme

not at all saying theyre a disappointment, but they will really need to do more than "keep the team competitive" in the coming years at those price tags
- FourFeathers773

The team won't be "dismantled" - assuming they can "dump" Sharp and Bickell, that saves something over $8MM net - Roszival (if not resigned) gets you another $1MM net - so losing one top-6 forward, one bottom-6 forward, and one third-pairing defenseman saves them about $9MM. With any luck, that could be enough.

The trick may be to get Sharp to waive his NTC or whatever he has, and you might not get much back for Sharp and Bickell, but you still have the guts of a competitive team there (if maybe not a Cup-competing team for the year or two it would take to bring the youngsters up to NHL speed, including TvR).

Of course, if the Looney drops to US$.75, all bets are off.

The Toews and Kane contracts will never be "bargains" - they will be workable within three years.
- StLBravesFan

Completely agree

TVR has been a much needed and pleasant surprise. It would definitely be scary if he was nothing special. Also, if Pokka comes up heads, then I would feel better about the D moving forward since we are guessing if Oduya and Seabrook will be here in 1-2 years time

- Ogilthorpe2

i dont take this seriously at all.

you've knocked sharp for years, especially when he got his new contract at $5.9 and then he continued to be a top producer since then

now im knocking the T+K contracts because they are the going to be the highest paid in the league and youre laughing which is fine. we still won another cup after sharp got his raise. lets see if T+K can do the same after their record contracts

definitely pot meets kettle here

The team won't be "dismantled" - assuming they can "dump" Sharp and Bickell, that saves something over $8MM net - Roszival (if not resigned) gets you another $1MM net - so losing one top-6 forward, one bottom-6 forward, and one third-pairing defenseman saves them about $9MM. With any luck, that could be enough.

The trick may be to get Sharp to waive his NTC or whatever he has, and you might not get much back for Sharp and Bickell, but you still have the guts of a competitive team there (if maybe not a Cup-competing team for the year or two it would take to bring the youngsters up to NHL speed, including TvR).

Of course, if the Looney drops to US$.75, all bets are off.

The Toews and Kane contracts will never be "bargains" - they will be workable within three years.
- StLBravesFan

Everything's amazing, and nobody's happy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEY58fiSK8E&sns=em

The team won't be "dismantled" - assuming they can "dump" Sharp and Bickell, that saves something over $8MM net - Roszival (if not resigned) gets you another $1MM net - so losing one top-6 forward, one bottom-6 forward, and one third-pairing defenseman saves them about $9MM. With any luck, that could be enough.

The trick may be to get Sharp to waive his NTC or whatever he has, and you might not get much back for Sharp and Bickell, but you still have the guts of a competitive team there (if maybe not a Cup-competing team for the year or two it would take to bring the youngsters up to NHL speed, including TvR).

Of course, if the Looney drops to US$.75, all bets are off.

The Toews and Kane contracts will never be "bargains" - they will be workable within three years.
- StLBravesFan

Getting rid of Sharp an dBickell saves you 9.9mil in cap hit...I still think that Bickell is gone for sure, and I think depending on where the cap is going to be you might actually see Sharp back again next season...I don't think this whole doomsday cap scenario is going to take place, and I also do not think it will jump like crazy...LeBrun had a piece on a few thing a day ago, and he wrote this:

The salary cap: This is the annual meeting during which the league gives clubs their first projected number for next season's salary cap. It's a projection, not an exact number, but normally it gives teams enough direction in order to plan ahead for next season. There has been much hand-wringing among some of the bigger-market, high-spending clubs that the salary cap isn't quite going up as much as they thought it was going to, which is leaving them pressed up against the ceiling trying to juggle how to re-sign and keep their core together.

Montreal Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin pointed to the uncertainty of the cap when he talked about dealing away Travis Moen and later Rene Bourque, both of whom carry contracts that go beyond this season.

Still, what governors will be told by the league leadership this week is that despite all the concern, as long as there isn't any significant change (downward) in the Canadian dollar between now and June 30, the salary cap next season is projected to be somewhere between $72 million and $74 million, up from the current $69 million. The governors will actually get a more precise figure though a source told ESPN.com it should be in that range.


you can find the entire article here:
http://espn.go.com/blog/n...-dont-expect-anything-big

Getting rid of Sharp an dBickell saves you 9.9mil in cap hit...I still think that Bickell is gone for sure, and I think depending on where the cap is going to be you might actually see Sharp back again next season...I don't think this whole doomsday cap scenario is going to take place, and I also do not think it will jump like crazy...LeBrun had a piece on a few thing a day ago, and he wrote this:

The salary cap: This is the annual meeting during which the league gives clubs their first projected number for next season's salary cap. It's a projection, not an exact number, but normally it gives teams enough direction in order to plan ahead for next season. There has been much hand-wringing among some of the bigger-market, high-spending clubs that the salary cap isn't quite going up as much as they thought it was going to, which is leaving them pressed up against the ceiling trying to juggle how to re-sign and keep their core together.

Montreal Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin pointed to the uncertainty of the cap when he talked about dealing away Travis Moen and later Rene Bourque, both of whom carry contracts that go beyond this season.

Still, what governors will be told by the league leadership this week is that despite all the concern, as long as there isn't any significant change (downward) in the Canadian dollar between now and June 30, the salary cap next season is projected to be somewhere between $72 million and $74 million, up from the current $69 million. The governors will actually get a more precise figure though a source told ESPN.com it should be in that range.


you can find the entire article here:
http://espn.go.com/blog/n...-dont-expect-anything-big
- captainserious

I'll say two things again:

Getting rid of Sharp and Bickell saves you something over $8MM net - you have to replace them with at least minimum-salary players.

And, again, these are the same guys who screwed it up last summer - missing their target by $3MM - hope they finally get it right, but....

I do think the Hawks situation is not going to be overly pleasant next year. It is the price you pay for success in a hard salary cap league. I don't think the Hawks have overpaid in the Bowman era either. The Hawks have stated time and time again that they were going to keep their core together. They have done that and this core has won 2 Stanley Cups in a salary cap league. Pretty impressive to say the least. Toews and Kane were going to get huge dollars that was obvious. Don't think for a second that the NHLPA wasn't pressuring them. Those two signed deals that might hurt the Hawks for the next little while, but they are the faces of the Hawks and two of the most important players in the NHL as well. Going forward, the Hawks will have very difficult decisions to make, here is hoping you draft well and keep developing talent that is NHL ready when their time is called. Still say this, I have had the chance to witness 2 Stanley Cups from my favorite team in a very quick time frame, something I would have never thought possible when I started watching them in the 1987-1988 season.

I'll say two things again:

Getting rid of Sharp and Bickell saves you something over $8MM net - you have to replace them with at least minimum-salary players.

And, again, these are the same guys who screwed it up last summer - missing their target by $3MM - hope they finally get it right, but....
- StLBravesFan

I'm not saying they are exactly right, but I just refuse to believe the cap will not go up at all from 69 mil or will even go down

I do think the Hawks situation is not going to be overly pleasant next year. It is the price you pay for success in a hard salary cap league. I don't think the Hawks have overpaid in the Bowman era either. The Hawks have stated time and time again that they were going to keep their core together. They have done that and this core has won 2 Stanley Cups in a salary cap league. Pretty impressive to say the least. Toews and Kane were going to get huge dollars that was obvious. Don't think for a second that the NHLPA wasn't pressuring them. Those two signed deals that might hurt the Hawks for the next little while, but they are the faces of the Hawks and two of the most important players in the NHL as well. Going forward, the Hawks will have very difficult decisions to make, here is hoping you draft well and keep developing talent that is NHL ready when their time is called. Still say this, I have had the chance to witness 2 Stanley Cups from my favorite team in a very quick time frame, something I would have never thought possible when I started watching them in the 1987-1988 season.
- ChicagoHope

Yep, but the core is changing now. There will be a "new" core

The old one certainly included Sharp and Seabrook.

Sharp seems destined to be a goner and Seabrook is mystery because we arent there yet, we dont know what he wants to be paid, and if he wants to stay

Does anyone think TVR or Dahlbeck may make Oduya expendable and not a priority to sign regardless of any "hometown discount" he may sign?

Honestly, he already has a feel for the team, what other team is going to give him $6 per like NYI likely will AND be in a better contending position moving forward?
- FourFeathers773

I agree I think the Isles find a way to keep him. He's a leader and a big reason for this team's strong start (even though he's missed a handful of games with injuries)

I agree I think the Isles find a way to keep him. He's a leader and a big reason for this team's strong start (even though he's missed a handful of games with injuries)
- golfbard

Apparently he's pretty seriously injured right now with an UBI

Capuano said he wont be playing any time soon

@Senators: Breaking: The Ottawa Senators have dismissed head coach Paul MacLean. #Sens

whoa

John Jaeckel: Evidence Mounts: Best Team In The NHL
- John Jaeckel

Lebrun reporting a cap increase below. Don't forget he projected an increase last December as well though... He also qualifies that this depends on the Loonie holding against the dollar.

http://espn.go.com/blog/n...-dont-expect-anything-big


"... The salary cap: This is the annual meeting during which the league gives clubs their first projected number for next season's salary cap. It's a projection, not an exact number, but normally it gives teams enough direction in order to plan ahead for next season. There has been much hand-wringing among some of the bigger-market, high-spending clubs that the salary cap isn't quite going up as much as they thought it was going to, which is leaving them pressed up against the ceiling trying to juggle how to re-sign and keep their core together.

Montreal Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin pointed to the uncertainty of the cap when he talked about dealing away Travis Moen and later Rene Bourque, both of whom carry contracts that go beyond this season.

Still, what governors will be told by the league leadership this week is that despite all the concern, as long as there isn't any significant change (downward) in the Canadian dollar between now and June 30, the salary cap next season is projected to be somewhere between $72 million and $74 million, up from the current $69 million. The governors will actually get a more precise figure though a source told ESPN.com it should be in that range. "

ps: Apologies if this has already been posted.

@Senators: Breaking: The Ottawa Senators have dismissed head coach Paul MacLean. #Sens

whoa
- FourFeathers773

Fat walrus

Fat walrus
- BlazinMike

Ever see any skinny ones?

Fat walrus
- BlazinMike

And I doubt Ottawa will not be spending money for a Bylsma or an established coach (unless he comes cheap).

Randy Carlisle is 4 points better with more talent and still maintains....

Ever see any skinny ones?
- Elbows15

If you play a tape of "Magical Mystery Tour" backwards....

I hope you're correct. The loonie is headed towards 6 bits and I can't imagine seeing the 7 teams up North dealing too well with that, even the Leafs.

If the cap stays about even, the 'Hawks will have to shed $15-16M of current cap hits to keep the defence and re-sign guys like Saad and Kruger. The net increase $8.4M of the wonder twins next season only complicates things further.

Guess we shall see, eh?
- blackhawk24

Its been 7 years since the cap has increased by anywhere near 10% which is about what 76mildo would do. Pretty significant number.

I would suspect closer to 72.

and Hammer possession stats suck...I am a believer that Seth Jones is a great kid who is improving but stardom is far from there...hell they already have ONE overated defender in Weber whose frank gets held b/c he can shoot the puck like a cannon, but still gets out worked, and beat defenisvely if he can isn't able to use his other asset his size.strength.

I see your list and am laughing...in the same way I did years ago here where Seabrook was called slow and flat footed.
A well overpaid paid like a star Pietrangelo wished he was playing as well defensively as Seabrook can, but we know theat teams undertand from the Detroit/Chicago and originally Montrteal style is based on carriers up-ice.

I have not doubt if there was dispersal draft that the present date, Seabrook could potentially get his name called by all teams above to be the second guy in a first pairings.
Seabrook is a lot more physical, cerebral and quick than most big defenders. The mobility is there.
Tell you what, since you wear the Bluenote I will give your injured defender Jay Bouwmeester for his strength (not the disillusioned fan eye) and that is for being a terrific one one on one defender on guys bearing in...he is able to keep balance make many plays / breakups without taking the penalties, a brilliant ability...that Seabrook also has, but it's very difficult to isolate when you have a press corps and stat bloated media whose eyes peruse paper stats over actual play.

Dougthy can be a beast defensively and we know what he can do the other way...and he feels reponsible to attempt to DO IT, if the team needs him in overdrive.

I am not so sure if Seabrook played next to him, that any other jamoke on the Kings could play better.
Minny's Suter would love him next to him but the Brodin has been a revelation, but he is NOT Seabrook.
FLORIDA-REALLY?
that is where you take your argument and House of Card it.

Subban is still a stick first deeman and IS getting better in his end, but "personally" Seabrook should have had HIS Olympic spot...but that is moot since they kicked booty w/o another smart defender over offensive man.
You certainly ASSumed too much on OEL and Yandle by light years. I love OEL was arguably the first to rank him highly but, he is not there or a cure eh?, and Ynadle they are still trying to find a taker on.

When I started watching with six teams in the league there were only about five RIGHT HANDER defensmean in the league, and it was always the better lefthanders who were asked to "fill" the right side.
So this argument of too many right hander on tthe teams listed above sounds like the same horsebleep YOUR team tried to see your fans by sending a better defender to Toronto for Gunny.

So that is little or no reason that would deter any NHL team from picking up Seabrook over CAP, and other pressing issues...they would make space.
You are totally under-rated his IQ skill level and agility, but that happedn with ba few bigger defenseman....as a kid I never saw thos etop fime Montreal defenders as more than good, but the press wasn't hyping them and their stats did little to throw any of them into the media limelight (oh maybe Serge Savard had 30 goals 60 points), Guy Lapointe Larry Robinson, Jim Roberts like SEABROOK, just went about the business.

The Bruins would send three of those crappy youngsters defenseman for him, because you me and the Bruins CANNOT PREDICT any of them or the young guys on the teams you listed EVER GET there in terms of polish and savvy. (We can all talk about how LEDDY was the best player in the Isle's lost the last game...just like we praided his potential here, but those teams and thhere good up and coming defenders are just that like LEDDY was ...)

It just seems like a non issue --to me lists in general about hockey are....

now you want to talk relvence or different or...

The other night I saw two defenseman lined up "Euro-style" with the right point man being a left hander and the left point being a right hander...but it wasn't for a PP, it was for an ENTIRE GAME.

If it was the late 1970's and you told me in the future this would happen, I probably would have been willing to bet all I had it wouldn't ... but the sport evolves and you can't count on things from our old viewings necessarily fir anymore.
The paradign shifts
but it didn't shift away form Seabrook being a really good strong over-all defender and attacker that all teams would love...and where I wear the Indianhead (my heart) have very little to do with the reality of it...
I am not going back to correct spelling, gotta sleep, try your best to get my intent here, ok?
- wiz1901

Looks like we are in agreement again, Wiz.

If you play a tape of "Magical Mystery Tour" backwards....
- StLBravesFan

I have. Sounds like white noise to me.

The team won't be "dismantled" - assuming they can "dump" Sharp and Bickell, that saves something over $8MM net - Roszival (if not resigned) gets you another $1MM net - so losing one top-6 forward, one bottom-6 forward, and one third-pairing defenseman saves them about $9MM. With any luck, that could be enough.

The trick may be to get Sharp to waive his NTC or whatever he has, and you might not get much back for Sharp and Bickell, but you still have the guts of a competitive team there (if maybe not a Cup-competing team for the year or two it would take to bring the youngsters up to NHL speed, including TvR).

Of course, if the Looney drops to US$.75, all bets are off.

The Toews and Kane contracts will never be "bargains" - they will be workable within three years.
- StLBravesFan

This is what worries me. In the beginning of these contracts the team will decimated because of the cap and then in the latter phase the 2 players will be less effective.