I'm fine with this. Harrington is a Girardi type and might be valuable moving forward. I'm happy with Letang and Ehrhoff at the helm even If Pouliot pans out and becomes a new Brian Campbell, as many expected at first.
- Barnaby36

After Martin leaves and if Scuderi is possibly traded, the pens could really use a solid PKer and Harrington could do that. Despres is doing good and could take the top 4 spot next year and Harrington can slide right into the 6th spot with bortuzzo or dumoulin

Haha desperate moves Do you want Umberger too? Another guy that comes to mind is Hartnell's. I'd trade him for Scuds in a heartbeat.
- Barnaby36

i think my hatred for hartnell has become imbedded in my genome and will be passed on to many generations of chrisms's

After Martin leaves and if Scuderi is possibly traded, the pens could really use a solid PKer and Harrington could do that. Despres is doing good and could take the top 4 spot next year and Harrington can slide right into the 6th spot with bortuzzo or dumoulin
- drummer829

pens are gonna have to let them sink or swim at some point... move martin or ehrhoff now to see what we have

I feel like for guys like eberle and osier the pens would have to pay a lot for guys that one time scored 30 goals.

Kane would be a fortune for a d bag that likes to take pics of his cash.

Peg is a bubble team, they have no reason to trade Kane.

I feel like for guys like eberle and osier the pens would have to pay a lot for guys that one time scored 30 goals.

Kane would be a fortune for a d bag that likes to take pics of his cash.

Peg is a bubble team, they have no reason to trade Kane.
- sammy87

generally agree with that. thou ebs has been stuck with the soilers. I guess to a certain degree kane has been stuck with the wets, but he really strikes me as a d-bag. maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather not.

pens are gonna have to let them sink or swim at some point... move martin or ehrhoff now to see what we have
- ChrisMS

No no Chris. Keep Ehrhoff man He's been great for us.

generally agree with that. thou ebs has been stuck with the soilers. I guess to a certain degree kane has been stuck with the wets, but he really strikes me as a d-bag. maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather not.
- ChrisMS

Kane would do just fine with our football environment in the Burgh

I used to like Eberle more but Maybe Kane brings the physicality we need. Both are good pick ups IMO.

E.Kane sid horn
Kuni geno yak
Comeau spaling bennett/megna
Megna/downie goc klink

That's sending sutter for yak+

And martin doumolin and 2nd for kan

E.Kane sid horn
Kuni geno yak
Comeau spaling bennett/megna
Megna/downie goc klink

That's sending sutter for yak+

And martin doumolin and 2nd for kan
- nh4442

Martin has a lmc not going to peg. Even if he didn't why on earth would peg want a vet dman rental?

Martin has a lmc not going to peg. Even if he didn't why on earth would peg want a vet dman rental?
- sammy87

Bc pens need the cap room

Martin has a lmc not going to peg. Even if he didn't why on earth would peg want a vet dman rental?
- sammy87

Very unlikely indeed.

Letang/Ehrhoff/Määttä/Pouliot/Despres/Harrington/Bortuzzo.

I'm more than fine with this D core.

Martin, Scuderi and Dumoulin(If he's really needed in order to get Top 6 help) as trade baits.

No no Chris. Keep Ehrhoff man He's been great for us.
- Barnaby36

I think its highly probable that both #7 and #10 walk for more dollars. Although, IMO, one of them could be retained (i.e. as the team plays out various trade scenarios). Best case for #4 is a compliance buyout. His contract is dead weight and no other GM will be willing to help the Pens in this regard. Back to #7 and #10; given their respective UFA status, they will most certainly require a niche trading destination.

From the depth of rank and file d-men...who has enough perceived value to garner a returned asset (i.e. top 6 winger)? IMO that's either #3 or #58...although #3 is regressing and #58 has health concerns. BUT #8, and #47 are near worthless, as-is harrington, and pouliot. NHL teams are interested in assets that can deliver immediate return and not longer-term development projects. Unless one of these guys are involved in a package deal, I just don't see much in terms of returnable value. AND if our D prospects are as good as we're led to believe, then I think #3 is expendable (and the odd man out).

On another note, I think its time for the organization to pull the plug on #19. The knock on him was that he was fragile at the collegiate level, and now he's proving that hypothesis at the NHL level. Seemed every GM had him correctly pegged except Shero.

GMJR, or anyone else in the organization calling the shots, will not be able to right-size the lack of youth, speed, and size during the course of a single season/ off-season. Building a true contender will take time; for now we're left with pretender (no matter how hard steigerwald and errey try to convince otherwise).

No no Chris. Keep Ehrhoff man He's been great for us.
- Barnaby36

hes been decent. I like him. great is a real stretch

E.Kane sid horn
Kuni geno yak
Comeau spaling bennett/megna
Megna/downie goc klink

That's sending sutter for yak+

And martin doumolin and 2nd for kan
- nh4442

yak costs more than sutter
martin wont waive for jets. kane will get a 1st from someone and a better prospect.

plus boo on kane

Very unlikely indeed.

Letang/Ehrhoff/Määttä/Pouliot/Despres/Harrington/Bortuzzo.

I'm more than fine with this D core.

Martin, Scuderi and Dumoulin(If he's really needed in order to get Top 6 help) as trade baits.
- Barnaby36

scuds would scare the potential fishes away from the other two

With the phones reportedly "ringing off the hook"...I really wonder how the dynamic works with JR and all his assistants. Wonder how many layers of management have to sign off on a trade or if JR has full control.

Oilers win tonight....no players will be traded.

I think its highly probable that both #7 and #10 walk for more dollars. Although, IMO, one of them could be retained (i.e. as the team plays out various trade scenarios). Best case for #4 is a compliance buyout. His contract is dead weight and no other GM will be willing to help the Pens in this regard. Back to #7 and #10; given their respective UFA status, they will most certainly require a niche trading destination.

From the depth of rank and file d-men...who has enough perceived value to garner a returned asset (i.e. top 6 winger)? IMO that's either #3 or #58...although #3 is regressing and #58 has health concerns. BUT #8, and #47 are near worthless, as-is harrington, and pouliot. NHL teams are interested in assets that can deliver immediate return and not longer-term development projects. Unless one of these guys are involved in a package deal, I just don't see much in terms of returnable value. AND if our D prospects are as good as we're led to believe, then I think #3 is expendable (and the odd man out).

On another note, I think its time for the organization to pull the plug on #19. The knock on him was that he was fragile at the collegiate level, and now he's proving that hypothesis at the NHL level. Seemed every GM had him correctly pegged except Shero.

GMJR, or anyone else in the organization calling the shots, will not be able to right-size the lack of youth, speed, and size during the course of a single season/ off-season. Building a true contender will take time; for now we're left with pretender (no matter how hard steigerwald and errey try to convince otherwise).
- out_of_market

i dont know where to start with tearing this apart... im not gonna try. sorry your stuck watching such a travesty

yak costs more than sutter
martin wont waive for jets. kane will get a 1st from someone and a better prospect.

plus boo on kane
- ChrisMS

Oh no no no boo on E Kane. I would give up Maatta/pouliot and a 1st (and a kicker if needed) for him. 3 years after this at 5.25 mil, and with the way the lines are clicking (when healthy), it would be Kane with Crosby and Horny. I don't think there is a line in the NHL that can compete with that ever.

Oh no no no boo on E Kane. I would give up Maatta/pouliot and a 1st (and a kicker if needed) for him. 3 years after this at 5.25 mil, and with the way the lines are clicking (when healthy), it would be Kane with Crosby and Horny. I don't think there is a line in the NHL that can compete with that ever.
- Guile

Bingo

Oh no no no boo on E Kane. I would give up Maatta/pouliot and a 1st (and a kicker if needed) for him. 3 years after this at 5.25 mil, and with the way the lines are clicking (when healthy), it would be Kane with Crosby and Horny. I don't think there is a line in the NHL that can compete with that ever.
- Guile

So will Geno stay with the worst wingers always? Right now I'd buy this since Geno has been our best player this year in the GenoMachino mode and is clicking with Comeau. Kunitz already knows G well.

So will Geno stay with the worst wingers always? Right now I'd buy this since Geno has been our best player this year in the GenoMachino mode and is clicking with Comeau. Kunitz already knows G well.
- Barnaby36

I mean he can have Downie or spaling from sids wing

I mean he can have Downie or spaling from sids wing
- dbell646

For once in his life? I bet he'll take it

I'm responding to the guys that want to trade Geno for a haul or say that "he always gets the best wingers". Ridiculous.

Oshie is so damn overrated. I want no part of a guy who scores 20 goals per season and can't bring anything but a soft game. He isn't a net front, Hornqvist guy, he is SOFT.

Kane with require a current NHL player, a top prospect, a 1st round pick, and quite possibly some other pick player. He is a true elite talent that is still very young and finding his game. I wouldn't trade him for anything less if I'm winnipeg.

Tlusty is option #1 for me. Very capable top 6 player with an easy to absorb cap hit. He would require a fraction of what it would cost to get a guy like Kane.
Also, look for Jeremy Morin of Chicago to get moved. He would have to be placed on waivers to be sent down and Sharp is returning in the near future. Chicago might have to either play him, trade him, or risk the waiver wire. His game is a young Kunitz.

I think its highly probable that both #7 and #10 walk for more dollars. Although, IMO, one of them could be retained (i.e. as the team plays out various trade scenarios). Best case for #4 is a compliance buyout. His contract is dead weight and no other GM will be willing to help the Pens in this regard. Back to #7 and #10; given their respective UFA status, they will most certainly require a niche trading destination.

From the depth of rank and file d-men...who has enough perceived value to garner a returned asset (i.e. top 6 winger)? IMO that's either #3 or #58...although #3 is regressing and #58 has health concerns. BUT #8, and #47 are near worthless, as-is harrington, and pouliot. NHL teams are interested in assets that can deliver immediate return and not longer-term development projects. Unless one of these guys are involved in a package deal, I just don't see much in terms of returnable value. AND if our D prospects are as good as we're led to believe, then I think #3 is expendable (and the odd man out).

On another note, I think its time for the organization to pull the plug on #19. The knock on him was that he was fragile at the collegiate level, and now he's proving that hypothesis at the NHL level. Seemed every GM had him correctly pegged except Shero.

GMJR, or anyone else in the organization calling the shots, will not be able to right-size the lack of youth, speed, and size during the course of a single season/ off-season. Building a true contender will take time; for now we're left with pretender (no matter how hard steigerwald and errey try to convince otherwise).
- out_of_market

Are you familiar with the rules of compliance buyout? May want to check those before your next post.

I actually agree on your "niche trade destination" for 7 and 10. People on this board seem to think magically we're going to get this asset haul back by including 7 in a deal. Not gonna happen.

At best, a 7 deal is for a rental coming back in the other direction. Rental for rental which I'm not totally opposed to btw. If you do happen to get something tangible for him, it would likely be a 3rd/4th line asset. In that case, you may as well keep him and try and ride it out with him.

Very unlikely indeed.

Letang/Ehrhoff/Määttä/Pouliot/Despres/Harrington/Bortuzzo.

I'm more than fine with this D core.

Martin, Scuderi and Dumoulin(If he's really needed in order to get Top 6 help) as trade baits.
- Barnaby36

Can you tell me what team in their right mind would trade for either of these 2 as part of any kind of tangible haul coming back to the Pens?

Best case for moving PMart - send him to another team and getting a rental FW back in return.

Best case for moving Scuds - none. We're stuck w/him. GMJR moves that contract, he's GM of the frickin year.