Murray just said Richardson was his first choice, way to throw your new coach under the bus

Murray just said Richardson was his first choice, way to throw your new coach under the bus
- tuna99

Lol, no he didn't. Knock it off dude. He said they spoke with him, and why wouldn't they? He's a good coach. So they talked to both of him.

Stop being such a hater.

Man. Murray having a brilliant press conference. He is so passionate about this team. He is selling me that this was a better move than a bad move.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

- TheCalSen

It was a good move. If the players and the coach don't get along, what are you going to do? Trade 22 players, and bring in 22 players that might still hate the coach? Or do you remove the toxic element from the equation. Seems like a simple decision in the end.

I hate to say anything negative about Murray considering his state, and if anyone knows me on here, I have probably been his biggest defender on this site.. at times, I have called him a top 5 GM in the league.

That said, at this point, I would take Shero in a heartbeat over Murray right now.
- Charliebox

Terrible situation. It's hard to believe Murray is still traveling and working for the team. Last I heard his prognosis isn't very good.

Shero deserves another shot. He did some good things for the Pens. I have much more animosity for Dan than Ray.

It was a good move. If the players and the coach don't get along, what are you going to do? Trade 22 players, and bring in 22 players that might still hate the coach? Or do you remove the toxic element from the equation. Seems like a simple decision in the end.
- the_terror

And what has happened with every other coach we have fired in the past 10 years?

"The players didn't like him".

You know what? Screw it.. let them coach themselves then. Or better yet, let's bring in Neil's kids. They can sit behind the bench, chew some bubble gum, and let the players do whatever the hell they feel like.

I hate to say anything negative about Murray considering his state, and if anyone knows me on here, I have probably been his biggest defender on this site.. at times, I have called him a top 5 GM in the league.

That said, at this point, I would take Shero in a heartbeat over Murray right now.
- Charliebox

At this point in time, it might be better to move Murray into a senior, behind-the-scenes management role. I've sadly seen first hand the toll, both physical and mental, that living with stage 4 cancer can have on a person; it might be time that Melnyk makes a non-sentimental decision for the best of both the team and Murray going forward.

Really? Sounds excatly like every press conference he has after he fires a coach

1 - we need to have fun playing the game, just go out and play
2 - Cameron is a good Junior coach and a teacher
3 - We have a playoff team
4 - Players want to be held accountable and listened to
5 - The coach shut off the players


Murray should of resigned as well, this team needs a new set of eyes
- tuna99

Such a hater. He knows what is wrong with this team. Brilliant tid bit when he was talking about the forwards not helping the defence. He wants to fix this. Hard to plug in the right pieces to be successful though. He even said it will be hard to do. Murray is a brilliant hockey man. Knowledgeable and fair. He even brought up that he and the staff may have overestimated how the young players could progress this year. We need a man in place for when Murray needs to step down for personal reasons, but right now he's doing the best with what he has got. I'm sure he wishes he had any other NHL owner other than Melnyk, but it is what it is.

It was a good move. If the players and the coach don't get along, what are you going to do? Trade 22 players, and bring in 22 players that might still hate the coach? Or do you remove the toxic element from the equation. Seems like a simple decision in the end.
- the_terror

I'm glad we have nice 50/50 on this decision. Of course what we think is better for this team

Do we know whos replacing him?

Still early, but the TSN poll shows 75% of people disagree with the firing. Not surprised at all.

Do we know whos replacing him?
- vancity787

Dave Cameron is the new HC

Dave Cameron is the new HC
- karlsson

Man, I hate it when coaches lose there job and the assistants take over.

Such a cop-out, Hope its interam. Likely will just be preaching the same shyt.

Such a hater. He knows what is wrong with this team. Brilliant tid bit when he was talking about the forwards not helping the defence. He wants to fix this. Hard to plug in the right pieces to be successful though. He even said it will be hard to do. Murray is a brilliant hockey man. Knowledgeable and fair. He even brought up that he and the staff may have overestimated how the young players could progress this year. We need a man in place for when Murray needs to step down for personal reasons, but right now he's doing the best with what he has got. I'm sure he wishes he had any other NHL owner other than Melnyk, but it is what it is.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I just don't like where the team is right now, it just seems like the evaluations at every level are off by large margins (Players, Coaches, Management, fan expectations)

But where is it going - if this is a playoff team name Brent Sutter or Bylsma as coach - they know what it takes, don't name a rookie coach with no NHL experience, this is the same deal with Paddock. We stay on the same hamster wheel

It just seems like every few months this team is pulling its ass out of a fire - Alfie, Spezza, last year, this year, Clouston, Paddock, Hartsburg - Murray has done 1 solid solid move for this team since being name GM and that is drafting EK - outside of that it's been a revolving door of basically complete disarray (Heatley, Redden, Emery, the coaches, Alfie, Spezza, dwindling attendance, the fan base hating on the owner)

And what has happened with every other coach we have fired in the past 10 years?

"The players didn't like him".

You know what? Screw it.. let them coach themselves then. Or better yet, let's bring in Neil's kids. They can sit behind the bench, chew some bubble gum, and let the players do whatever the hell they feel like.
- Charliebox

Well, let's explore what happened in the last 10 years.

Murray moves on to take the GM role after he takes the team to the SCF.

John Paddock is hired. Paddock has a terrible January/February with an extremely good roster, and is fired. Paddock lost the ability to coach a very, very good team. The wrong guy was hired. Has not been a head coach in the NHL since.

Bryan Murray takes over as head coach, and gets the team into the playoffs, where they are swept out of the first round by the eventual Stanley Cup champions.

Craig Hartsburg is hired in the off-season. He puts up a 17-24-7 record and is fired, because again, he's got a good roster and can't get them to play. Worth noting, has not had a head coaching job in the NHL since. The wrong guy was hired.

Cory Clouston is promoted from Binghamton to coach the Ottawa Senators. He gets them into the playoffs one year, but is so abrasive that he manages to alienate every player in the room. The roster rebuild starts during this time. Has not coached in the NHL since. Wrong guy was hired.

MacLean is hired following the firing of Clouston, and lasts three years.

So here's how I see it. Paddock, Hartsburg, and Clouston, all the wrong guys. MacLean WAS the right guy, but anyone paying attention can see that HE changed after winning the Jack Adams, and the performance on the ice reflects that. That's not on the players, that's on the coach.

Whether or not Dave Cameron is a good choice or a bad choice is debatable. Anyone supporting him has only a junior hockey record to point to, and anyone detracting him has only that same junior hockey record to point to. For all anyone knows, he could be a good coach. Let's see how the team finishes the season.

But you're being emotional.

Still early, but the TSN poll shows 75% of people disagree with the firing. Not surprised at all.
- Charliebox

Because rando's on a TSN poll know more about hockey than Bryan Murray.

Murray just said Richardson was his first choice, way to throw your new coach under the bus
- tuna99

haha... he would have been my first choice too.

where is presser available? sens web site?

I just don't like where the team is right now, it just seems like the evaluations at every level are off by large margins (Players, Coaches, Management, fan expectations)

But where is it going - if this is a playoff team name Brent Sutter or Bylsma as coach - they know what it takes, don't name a rookie coach with no NHL experience, this is the same deal with Paddock. We stay on the same hamster wheel

It just seems like every few months this team is pulling its ass out of a fire - Alfie, Spezza, last year, this year, Clouston, Paddock, Hartsburg - Murray has done 1 solid solid move for this team since being name GM and that is drafting EK - outside of that it's been a revolving door of basically complete disarray (Heatley, Redden, Emery, the coaches, Alfie, Spezza, dwindling attendance, the fan base hating on the owner)
- tuna99

Duuuuuude. Come on. You're more emotional about this than a 12-year old girl watching Twilight for the first time.

One solid move since becoming GM?

Trades Vermette to Columbus and the pick they get back is Robin Lehner.

Trades David Rundblad and a pick to Phoenix for Kyle Turris.

Trades one NHL player and a prospect and a pick for Bobby Ryan.

Trades an underperforming Brian Elliott for Craig Anderson.

Murray's GM history with the Senators is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy better than one move.

Man, I hate it when coaches lose there job and the assistants take over.

Such a cop-out, Hope its interam. Likely will just be preaching the same shyt.
- vancity787

my thoughts exactly. dont fire the coach unless you have a good alternative.

my thoughts exactly. dont fire the coach unless you have a good alternative.
- sen_smile

Unless the alternative is forcing your players to be coached by a guy they hate.

I just don't like where the team is right now, it just seems like the evaluations at every level are off by large margins (Players, Coaches, Management, fan expectations)

But where is it going - if this is a playoff team name Brent Sutter or Bylsma as coach - they know what it takes, don't name a rookie coach with no NHL experience, this is the same deal with Paddock. We stay on the same hamster wheel

It just seems like every few months this team is pulling its ass out of a fire - Alfie, Spezza, last year, this year, Clouston, Paddock, Hartsburg - Murray has done 1 solid solid move for this team since being name GM and that is drafting EK - outside of that it's been a revolving door of basically complete disarray (Heatley, Redden, Emery, the coaches, Alfie, Spezza, dwindling attendance, the fan base hating on the owner)
- tuna99

I'm not saying the team is necessarily going in the right direction, but Murray knows we weren't on the right track. Not every move he'll make will turn into gold. What GM has 100% good moves? I saw a guy who saw this team not improving the right way and made a move and even took some accountability that he may have over evaluated players. Something which I have posted about over and over. He knows there things aren't going as expected and is trying to correct that. I don't know what more you can ask of a GM. I don't agree with Dave Cameron taking over. Your example of Paddock jumped into my head as soon as that was announced as well. He can still hire another guy if things still go sour. I think it's important to bring in an outside guy, but putting an assistant in charge now is the easiest thing to do. Do I agree with everything Murray does? Not one bit. However, I will never question his knowledge about the game and his passion to trying to improve this team with a broke boss and health circumstances that would make almost anyone walk away from the game by now. Next step I think is trying to find a GM to take over in a year or two.

Well, let's explore what happened in the last 10 years.

Murray moves on to take the GM role after he takes the team to the SCF.

John Paddock is hired. Paddock has a terrible January/February with an extremely good roster, and is fired. Paddock lost the ability to coach a very, very good team. The wrong guy was hired. Has not been a head coach in the NHL since.

Bryan Murray takes over as head coach, and gets the team into the playoffs, where they are swept out of the first round by the eventual Stanley Cup champions.

Craig Hartsburg is hired in the off-season. He puts up a 17-24-7 record and is fired, because again, he's got a good roster and can't get them to play. Worth noting, has not had a head coaching job in the NHL since. The wrong guy was hired.

Cory Clouston is promoted from Binghamton to coach the Ottawa Senators. He gets them into the playoffs one year, but is so abrasive that he manages to alienate every player in the room. The roster rebuild starts during this time. Has not coached in the NHL since. Wrong guy was hired.

MacLean is hired following the firing of Clouston, and lasts three years.

So here's how I see it. Paddock, Hartsburg, and Clouston, all the wrong guys. MacLean WAS the right guy, but anyone paying attention can see that HE changed after winning the Jack Adams, and the performance on the ice reflects that. That's not on the players, that's on the coach.

Whether or not Dave Cameron is a good choice or a bad choice is debatable. Anyone supporting him has only a junior hockey record to point to, and anyone detracting him has only that same junior hockey record to point to. For all anyone knows, he could be a good coach. Let's see how the team finishes the season.

But you're being emotional.
- the_terror

He changed? You mean the goaltending changed?


Great year of goaltending = playoffs and Jack Adams
Below average year of goaltending = no playoffs.

Back to another good year of goaltending = massively overachieving considering the schedule to date.

To me, this team is exactly the same as the 'pesky' Sens. Outshot on a nightly basis, great goaltending and overachieving.

As I have said in the other thread, we are .500 without a 1LC 1LLW, 2LRW and top 4 Dman and the lowest payroll in the league (and playing 19 of 27 games against playoff teams).

Pretty decent if you ask me.

Duuuuuude. Come on. You're more emotional about this than a 12-year old girl watching Twilight for the first time.

One solid move since becoming GM?

Trades Vermette to Columbus and the pick they get back is Robin Lehner.

Trades David Rundblad and a pick to Phoenix for Kyle Turris.

Trades one NHL player and a prospect and a pick for Bobby Ryan.

Trades an underperforming Brian Elliott for Craig Anderson.

Murray's GM history with the Senators is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy better than one move.
- the_terror

Okay let's wait until game 82 and see where we are - stand by your man and let's see where this thing is going

Because rando's on a TSN poll know more about hockey than Bryan Murray.
- the_terror

No, but the fans are the ones paying for the tickets (and driving up ratings on TV).

They aren't dumb. They know what the problem is and it's sure as hell not Paul Maclean.

Unless the alternative is forcing your players to be coached by a guy they hate.
- the_terror

what did murray say at the presser? i can't watch it bc at work.

I NEED TO KNOW!!!!!