what did murray say at the presser? i can't watch it bc at work.

I NEED TO KNOW!!!!!
- sen_smile

basically what he's been saying for the last 8 years - "we should be better but we're not so I fired the coach"

Ken Hitchcock, Joel Quenneville and many other accomplished coaches have been fired.

Many Hawk fans complain about Q's ice time allocations and devotion to veterans and grinders. Difference is, he had his table set with Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, etc.

MacLean really didn't.

Easier to fire the coach than the players. IMO, Maclean got more out of the roster than many coaches would have. I suspect he will get anther go behind an NHL bench soon enough.

He changed? You mean the goaltending changed?


Great year of goaltending = playoffs and Jack Adams
Below average year of goaltending = no playoffs.

Back to another good year of goaltending = massively overachieving considering the schedule to date.

To me, this team is exactly the same as the 'pesky' Sens. Outshot on a nightly basis, great goaltending and overachieving.

As I have said in the other thread, we are .500 without a 1LC 1LLW, 2LRW and top 4 Dman and the lowest payroll in the league (and playing 19 of 27 games against playoff teams).

Pretty decent if you ask me.
- Charliebox

I agree 100% about the goaltedning being the difference.

Your omitting the season vs the rangers though, where they had fantastic offense.

But Spezza and Alfie are gone now though

Ken Hitchcock, Joel Quenneville and many other accomplished coaches have been fired.

Many Hawk fans complain about Q's ice time allocations and devotion to veterans and grinders. Difference is, he had his table set with Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, etc.

MacLean really didn't.

Easier to fire the coach than the players. IMO, Maclean got more out of the roster than many coaches would have. I suspect he will get anther go behind an NHL bench soon enough.
- John Jaeckel

Bang on, buddy.

Sens fans, after reading through the general thread (eklund's) this seems to be the general consensus among non-Sens fans.

They know our roster is weak as hell. They know we are overachieving and should probably be a lottery team.

No, but the fans are the ones paying for the tickets (and driving up ratings on TV).

They aren't dumb. They know what the problem is and it's sure as hell not Paul Maclean.
- Charliebox

No, they don't. You're wrong. Do you honestly think that the players on this team all simultaneously forgot how to play hockey?

I get it though. You love Paul MacLean, you don't like Bryan Murray, so this move doesn't feel right to you.

However, if he was the right coach, then they'd have more wins, and they wouldn't be doing the same ridiculous things that they do to lose close games night in and night out, whether they win or lose. That's on everyone, but the coach is a really, REALLY big part of it.

MacLean to Edmonton! They need a real coach

Bang on, buddy.

Sens fans, after reading through the general thread (eklund's) this seems to be the general consensus among non-Sens fans.

They know our roster is weak as hell. They know we are overachieving and should probably be a lottery team.
- Charliebox

There can be a problem with the coach and the roster. There are a lot of problems with this team. Hard to pin point one or two. Firing the coach is the easiest first crack at a solution. That may or may not come. Murray even said that. He was very fair, honest, and self-critical in his press conference.

No, they don't. You're wrong. Do you honestly think that the players on this team all simultaneously forgot how to play hockey?

I get it though. You love Paul MacLean, you don't like Bryan Murray, so this move doesn't feel right to you.

However, if he was the right coach, then they'd have more wins, and they wouldn't be doing the same ridiculous things that they do to lose close games night in and night out, whether they win or lose. That's on everyone, but the coach is a really, REALLY big part of it.
- the_terror

Forgot how to play hockey? You mean 'just aren't as good as their opponents'?

Dude, we lost a bunch of one goal games to teams that are better than us.


And I have already said, I love Murray. I have defended him more than anyone on this site since he came here. I have even said he is a top 5 GM in the league. It's nothing against Murray.

But, if our management and owner really think this is a playoff team, they are delusional. WE will be lucky to make the playoffs and if we do, it will be on the backs of our goalies.

Ken Hitchcock, Joel Quenneville and many other accomplished coaches have been fired.

Many Hawk fans complain about Q's ice time allocations and devotion to veterans and grinders. Difference is, he had his table set with Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, etc.

MacLean really didn't.

Easier to fire the coach than the players. IMO, Maclean got more out of the roster than many coaches would have. I suspect he will get anther go behind an NHL bench soon enough.
- John Jaeckel

Well said. I agree.

No, they don't. You're wrong. Do you honestly think that the players on this team all simultaneously forgot how to play hockey?

I get it though. You love Paul MacLean, you don't like Bryan Murray, so this move doesn't feel right to you.

However, if he was the right coach, then they'd have more wins, and they wouldn't be doing the same ridiculous things that they do to lose close games night in and night out, whether they win or lose. That's on everyone, but the coach is a really, REALLY big part of it.
- the_terror

Maybe, maybe not. It's possible that this all falls on Maclean. But this team was pretty bad before he was hired as coach to begin with.

If they continue to play poorly, will his replacement be the wrong coach as well?

No, they don't. You're wrong. Do you honestly think that the players on this team all simultaneously forgot how to play hockey?

I get it though. You love Paul MacLean, you don't like Bryan Murray, so this move doesn't feel right to you.

However, if he was the right coach, then they'd have more wins, and they wouldn't be doing the same ridiculous things that they do to lose close games night in and night out, whether they win or lose. That's on everyone, but the coach is a really, REALLY big part of it.
- the_terror

Ya ya ya, Murray is a genius except for the fact that his teams under perform every year

Luke will be the next coach of the Buffalo Sabres.
Luke and Timmy Murray are good buds and that job is already basically his after Ted Nolan. Basically an unofficial done deal.

The Sens don't want to hire another rookie NHL coach. With as many coaches as they've had, even if they wanted Luke, they couldn't.
- matt272

I'm going off the page with this one and will predict that the next GM will be Tim Murray, who will promote Luke from Bingo to Ottawa.

Arrangements will be made for this to take place once BM steps aside. Ottawa will need to send Buffalo compensation as TM isw under contract, but it has happened in the past (Rick Dudley)

what did murray say at the presser? i can't watch it bc at work.

I NEED TO KNOW!!!!!
- sen_smile

thtuff

basically what he's been saying for the last 8 years - "we should be better but we're not so I fired the coach"
- tuna99

oh. that's it? why not fire him before the start of the season or wait till the end of this one? sounds like there is more to this. i'd be ok with mac getting fired if he was being replaced by someone who would implement a different defensive system... at least for the time being... but i question whether now is the right time to do that. its not like we have a stellar line up... DC can win me over IF he makes good line up decisions, is more efficient with player deployment, and get help us get the puck out of our zone. let's see if patty w gets to play and philips takes on 6/7 d man minutes... (esp. after last nite).
i'd prefer luke richardson or any other coach beside Cameron though... but im open to him proving me wrong.

wonder if sharks make a coaching swap if they go for mac?

did he suggest any moves are coming (in terms of player roster?)

is the rest of paul maclean's 3 yr salary going to come out of our internal (roster) budget?

oh. that's it? why not fire him before the start of the season or wait till the end of this one? sounds like there is more to this. i'd be ok with mac getting fired if he was being replaced by someone who would implement a different defensive system... at least for the time being... but i question whether now is the right time to do that. its not like we have a stellar line up... DC can win me over IF he makes good line up decisions, is more efficient with player deployment, and get help us get the puck out of our zone. let's see if patty w gets to play and philips takes on 6/7 d man minutes... (esp. after last nite).
i'd prefer luke richardson or any other coach beside Cameron though... but im open to him proving me wrong.

wonder if sharks make a coaching swap if they go for mac?

did he suggest any moves are coming (in terms of player roster?)
- sen_smile

he said he's trying to make trades.

Seems like Murray instead of looking the players in the eye and saying "do what the coach tells you" listens to the players and announces in a press conference "our coach is mean to the players and they don't like it"

I don't see this team moving forward unless the new coach has the backing of management. Murray throw Maclean under the bus saying he was to demanding on his players in a season where they sucked all season and let's the players off the hook.

Let's hope they get back on track but I think this team is what it is.

Seems really really stupid. I bet he wanted out. Why else would they do it?
- Iggysbff

Seems really really stupid to be a bottom 5 team for the last decade.

So he was fired because he's overachieving which doesn't bode well for the McDavid sweeps.

he said he's trying to make trades.

Seems like Murray instead of looking the players in the eye and saying "do what the coach tells you" listens to the players and announces in a press conference "our coach is mean to the players and they don't like it"

I don't see this team moving forward unless the new coach has the backing of management. Murray throw Maclean under the bus saying he was to demanding on his players in a season where they sucked all season and let's the players off the hook.

Let's hope they get back on track but I think this team is what it is.
- tuna99

that's interesting... i would love to know what goes on behind doors. he seemed to (at least publically) be more forgiving and like "old paul".... but who know what really happens. i have to watch this presser when i get home. i get the firing, but am surprised it happened now and not end of the season... this feels more like a reactionary move. will be curious to see if and how things change for thursday....

and again, why cameron... things must of really gone south with mac to fire him without a real alternative.

is the rest of paul maclean's 3 yr salary going to come out of our internal (roster) budget?
- sen_smile

The guy will have a job somewhere hockey related in no time. I think this was a stupid firing. Regardless some other team will benefit from this. Just not the Sens.

Their has to be more to this story than we know.

This is a tweet I saw and thought was kinda funny:

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Shaun Bisson @shaun_bisson
Paul MacLean is now unemployed but Dallas Eakins still has a job. Because that makes complete sense.
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- Artyukhin76

Its called one franchise believes in accountability and the other doesn't.

Do you honestly think that Dallas Eakins has not lost the room in Edmonton?

Forgot how to play hockey? You mean 'just aren't as good as their opponents'?

Dude, we lost a bunch of one goal games to teams that are better than us.


And I have already said, I love Murray. I have defended him more than anyone on this site since he came here. I have even said he is a top 5 GM in the league. It's nothing against Murray.

But, if our management and owner really think this is a playoff team, they are delusional. WE will be lucky to make the playoffs and if we do, it will be on the backs of our goalies.
- Charliebox

I think some people are taking this move as a short term fix. If organization didn't think it was working with Mclean now, how are they going to work with him in a year or two? I don't think there is a right answer for this season and its results, but Murray is trying to make this team better. What happens when Eakins is fired in Edmonton? Will that be the wrong decision because of the roster?

I'm as critical about this roster as anyone and think they have been overestimated for this season. That doesn't give the coach a free pass. I don't think Maclean was necessarily the problem, but he wasn't really providing any solutions either for the most part.

Their has to be more to this story than we know.
- vancity787

my thoughts exactly.

Really? Sounds excatly like every press conference he has after he fires a coach

1 - we need to have fun playing the game, just go out and play
2 - Cameron is a good Junior coach and a teacher
3 - We have a playoff team
4 - Players want to be held accountable and listened to
5 - The coach shut off the players


Murray should of resigned as well, this team needs a new set of eyes
- tuna99

Compared to your "press conference the other day"

"This team won't win another game in December"
"We don't touch the puck for over 20 minutes during games"

Do you even come away from the ledge?

Well, I gotta say... I've got a lot of respect for what Bryan Murray has done for this franchise as a GM and as a coach, and this PMac firing may well have been the best move for the franchise, but there aren't a lot of GMs in the NHL who get to have 6 head coaches over the course of 8 seasons...