.......I think.

It was definitely a medal...95% sure it was the shiny yellowy one that everyone wants
- Giroux_Is_God

This is the year to want it. This #1 gets you McDavid or just about any player in the league(you could literally get anyone with this pick save for maybe Stamkos). And hell, if you trade it you can make whoever gets it take RJ, Vinny, whatevers left of Prongers contract and still get a mega haul in return.

If the Flyers somehow ended up with the 1st overall I would be plenty tempted to move the pick.
- hereticpride

just tank. it got the pens lemieux, 2 cups, and saved their franchise which led to another cup.

Put Doughty on the Flyers, or just about any team, and they get a whole lot better. All of a sudden we have a very solid D core playing within their abilities with Coburn, Streit, AMac and whoever fills out the bottom 2. Kronwall would be good, but not quite as dynamic, imo, but I get your point.

I'm not sure who's talking scorched earth, but we have some holes, some bad contracts, no cap money and a team playing bad hockey. They got outshot by a Columbus team with 10 giveaways, most of those in their D zone.

It's going to be very hard for the Flyers to make the necessary moves, but not impossible. And the silver lining is that if there was ever a recent season to grin and bear, it's this one with the upcoming draft class chock full of talent.
- wolfhounds

i truly do not think this team as constructed will be consistently bad enough to garner macdavid.

and if people want to trade guys away for picks and prospects, the guys that will actually return that significant value will be painful for many to see go.

yeah. obviously doughty is a huge difference maker for any team.

but i still content that if you put kronwall on this flyers team right now, you guys will make the playoffs this season.

i truly do not think this team as constructed will be consistently bad enough to garner macdavid.

- stayinthefnnet

I agree with this. For all our issues, the Oilers, Sabres and an injury riddled Jackets team are far worse over an 82 game span. I cant see us finishing bottom 4 in the league. I think we hover somewhere between bottom 7-10 when all is said and done. This team sorely needs to add a high skill prospect though so it's okay either way.

just tank. it got the pens lemieux, 2 cups, and saved their franchise which led to another cup.
- hammarby31

Trade Coburn to the Oilers just so they stand a chance of passing us in the standings.

I agree with this. For all our issues, the Oilers, Sabres and an injury riddled Jackets team are far worse over an 82 game span. I cant see us finishing bottom 4 in the league. I think we hover somewhere between bottom 7-10 when all is said and done. This team sorely needs to add a high skill prospect though so it's okay either way.
- hereticpride

Yup.

That being said...boy it'd be nice to score a top 5

I agree with this. For all our issues, the Oilers, Sabres and an injury riddled Jackets team are far worse over an 82 game span. I cant see us finishing bottom 4 in the league. I think we hover somewhere between bottom 7-10 when all is said and done. This team sorely needs to add a high skill prospect though so it's okay either way.
- hereticpride

i know a lot of people dont want the oh finish 7th or 8th again and just sneak in method, but i really would not rule the flyers out from the playoffs now as it is.

and in hockey, i will always take making the playoffs over the draft pick. this isnt the nba, where the one seed is just going to truck because they have lebron james. anything can happen in the NHL playoffs. cliche, but more applicable to this sport than any other

Yup.

That being said...boy it'd be nice to score a top 5
- Giroux_Is_God

They still could. An injury to Mase easily puts this team in that category. If they loose G or Jake they could get into trouble as well.

Trade Coburn to the Oilers just so they stand a chance of passing us in the standings.
- hereticpride

i think coburn could bring in some pretty substantial value.

but as for the rest. people want to get rid of guys and return a haul for the future. then okay fine. but thats going to cause dipping into the warchest of guys that people dont want to see moved.

vinny, umberger, grossmann, luke schenn. they arent returning anything.

They still could. An injury to Mase easily puts this team in that category. If they loose G or Jake they could get into trouble as well.
- hereticpride

yeah. this would change my stance entirely. claude giroux goes down tomorrow for the season, then things really become plausible for that number one.

i know a lot of people dont want the oh finish 7th or 8th again and just sneak in method, but i really would not rule the flyers out from the playoffs now as it is.

and in hockey, i will always take making the playoffs over the draft pick. this isnt the nba, where the one seed is just going to truck because they have lebron james. anything can happen in the NHL playoffs. cliche, but more applicable to this sport than any other
- stayinthefnnet

I generally agree, thats the great thing about the NHL playoffs. But this year, even if we do crawl back there is no way we get past the Rangers, B's, Habs, Pens etc in a 7 game series without some massive re-structuring being done.

yeah. this would change my stance entirely. claude giroux goes down tomorrow for the season, then things really become plausible for that number one.
- stayinthefnnet

...stop

i think coburn could bring in some pretty substantial value.

but as for the rest. people want to get rid of guys and return a haul for the future. then okay fine. but thats going to cause dipping into the warchest of guys that people dont want to see moved.

vinny, umberger, grossmann, luke schenn. they arent returning anything.
- stayinthefnnet

Yup.

I'm of the opinion one of Coburn or AMac could be gone, mainly due to so much money being tied up in mediocre D. Trade Coburn and get a good asset. Trade AMac and take back similar money on shorter term. I was thinking AMac to the Avs for Tanguay and Talbot(both off the books after 2015-16).

I generally agree, thats the great thing about the NHL playoffs. But this year, even if we do crawl back there is no way we get past the Rangers, B's, Habs, Pens etc in a 7 game series without some massive re-structuring being done.
- hereticpride

i do agree that the flyers could use some restructuring. but in order to make these changes, theyd really need to dip into some valuable assets. and if people would rather not (frank) with it now, and wait, i can see the merit behind that approach.

but still. im not saying it will happen. or even that it is likely. but it is plausible that the flyers could beat any of the teams you listed in a 7 game series. youve seen it yourself. the flyers have the ability to hang with any team in the league, but for whatever reason. consistency is a huge issue. the flyers have talent, but not enough of it that they can consistently get away with less than maximum effort. i dont know, maybe they need to convince themselves that they are playing the pens every night.

although you left out the team that i really think makes its presence known this year in the eastern conference playoffs.

...stop
- Giroux_Is_God

im sorrrrry!

i am just qualifying my argument!

Yup.

I'm of the opinion one of Coburn or AMac could be gone, mainly due to so much money being tied up in mediocre D. Trade Coburn and get a good asset. Trade AMac and take back similar money on shorter term. I was thinking AMac to the Avs for Tanguay and Talbot(both off the books after 2015-16).
- hereticpride

i really do think a lot of people on here give Amac a bad rap. hes not a bad player. he suffers from the same faults as coburn. im far from an NHL GM, but i would take that deal and run if i was Colorado.

i just look at a team like calgary. they really are, overall, pretty bad.

but man. that top pairing single handedly keeps them in more games than they have any right to be.

giordano/brodie.

and thats what i really think the flyers need to do. nut up and get that defenseman. no, weber or subban or the like will not ever be available. but you move what you need to, within reason, to get a young guy in that next tier.

you target someone in the vein of brodie, josi, faulk.

i know people will clamor and say stay patient. and thats fine. like i said, there is merit in that path. but i really dont think the flyers are that far off. if a deal isnt there to be made, it isnt there to be made. but if it is, i would look long and hard at it. and if that involves moving someone like one of coots/laughton, or morin, the first, so be it.

im sorrrrry!

i am just qualifying my argument!
- stayinthefnnet

We made it to hump day though, so that's something!

im sorrrrry!

i am just qualifying my argument!
- stayinthefnnet

We made it to hump day though, so that's something!

EDIT: So important I had to say it twice. I guess come Friday at 5ish, I'll post that I'm done with the semester like 6 times in a row, considering how important that is!

We made it to hump day though, so that's something!

EDIT: So important I had to say it twice. I guess come Friday at 5ish, I'll post that I'm done with the semester like 6 times in a row, considering how important that is!
- Giroux_Is_God

hell yeah. good for you dude. i took a wussy route out haha. due to conflict i was entitled to reschedule one of my finals. i chose to push it to the very last day. ill have a shorter break, but after the first 2 back to back, i got maybe 8 hours of sleep in a 55 hour span. it was brutal. so now i have one on friday and one next tuesday.

then i shall join you in triumph.



...until we get the grades back.

hell yeah. good for you dude. i took a wussy route out haha. due to conflict i was entitled to reschedule one of my finals. i chose to push it to the very last day. ill have a shorter break, but after the first 2 back to back, i got maybe 8 hours of sleep in a 55 hour span. it was brutal. so now i have one on friday and one next tuesday.

then i shall join you in triumph.



...until we get the grades back.
- stayinthefnnet

Oh lawd I feel ya. I've gotten no more than 4 hours of sleep each night. Except tonight. No exams tomorrow...getting some well earned rest.

2 more to go.

#teamredbull

i know a lot of people dont want the oh finish 7th or 8th again and just sneak in method, but i really would not rule the flyers out from the playoffs now as it is.

and in hockey, i will always take making the playoffs over the draft pick. this isnt the nba, where the one seed is just going to truck because they have lebron james. anything can happen in the NHL playoffs. cliche, but more applicable to this sport than any other
- stayinthefnnet

The just get in and anything can happen theory is crap. It is true with seeding but not talent. 18 of the last 20 Stanley cup champions had either a hall of fame level defender or two hall of fame level centers. Do you think the Flyers have either of those things?

As far as this not being the NBA where tanking helps: Pittsburgh, Chicago, Boston, and LA have combined to win the last 6 Stanley Cup. 3 of those teams openly tanked for multiple seasons on their way to building a championship team. Boston themselves even bottomed out with the Joe Thornton trade and essentially started over with a ton of cap space to sign ufas and had a top 5 draft pick in Kessel.

yeah. for as much of a curmudgeon as i am. reading your post literally made me think of literally just collapsing to the floor in front of my tv with joy when fleury made the final stop.

i know im not really that old by the standards of some on here, but damn that feels like forever ago
- stayinthefnnet

and for us that moment was just another reason to hate detroit......imagine hating losing more than loving winning and then never wining.
pens suck and get mario, jagr, crosby and malkin.....we suck and get mike ricci and luke schenn

The just get in and anything can happen theory is crap. It is true with seeding but not talent. 18 of the last 20 Stanley cup champions had either a hall of fame level defender or two hall of fame level centers. Do you think the Flyers have either of those things?


- psuhockey

A lot of cup champions haven't been one of those teams that squeaks in and goes on a run. The NJ Devils went to the Cup finals a few years back, and they didn't have a great roster. Bryce Salvador was their best defenseman. The Canes rode a hot goalender. It can happen, although I don't this Flyers team has the goods to go on a run.

A lot of cup champions haven't been one of those teams that squeaks in and goes on a run. The NJ Devils went to the Cup finals a few years back, and they didn't have a great roster. Bryce Salvador was their best defenseman. The Canes rode a hot goalender. It can happen, although I don't this Flyers team has the goods to go on a run.
- MJL

Did the Devils win? Then why cite them as an example? The canes won the year after the lockout with new rules and a power play fest that has not been seen since.

As I said, 2 in 20 won without a hall of fame level defenseman or 2 hall of fame centers, tampa bay and Carolina. That's a 10 percent chance but this flyers roster doesn't even come close to those two teams. Dan Boyle, brad Richards, Vinny Lecavalier in their prime at center and defense. Eric Staal, Doug Weight, and Rod Brindamour at center. The Flyers don't even match up in talent to the aberrations.

Did the Devils win? Then why cite them as an example? The canes won the year after the lockout with new rules and a power play fest that has not been seen since.

As I said, 2 in 20 won without a hall of fame level defenseman or 2 hall of fame centers, tampa bay and Carolina. That's a 10 percent chance but this flyers roster doesn't even come close to those two teams. Dan Boyle, brad Richards, Vinny Lecavalier in their prime at center and defense. Eric Staal, Doug Weight, and Rod Brindamour at center. The Flyers don't even match up in talent to the aberrations.
- psuhockey

You don't have to win for a team to be an example of get in and anything can happen. When you go to the Cup finals, you're that close. Bottom line is that get in and anything can happen is true. And that's been proven, but maybe your confusing get in and anything can happen with saying that get in and your odds of winning the cup are high. That cliche doesn't state that. All that cliche states basically is get into the playoff and you have a chance. So stating that it's crap is false.