Sad, but true

Hopefully the draft brings it back to life, gonna be a long 6 months til then though
- BiggE

The biggest reason I'd be willing to move Coburn because he's due a new deal after next season, and I think that he'll end up making more than he's worth as well as more than the Flyers should pay him.

Despite his struggles this season, he's still the most physically gifted defenseman they have. He's shown he can play at a high level with the right partner, and should have a good deal of trade value.

I'm open to moving ANY of the Flyers current defensemen. Outside of Del Zotto, there's not a single one who is underpaid and none of them are irreplaceable. That's a bad combo to have when it applies to almost everyone.
- Jsaquella

Would you trade B Schenn, Umberger for Nieto and 2 2nds?

Sucks to hear but the Flyers should circle like vultures. If I'm not mistaken, he's a year younger, a million more expensive, decent two way forward and he'd be an incredible upgrade in the shootout anyway.

Matt Read, Andrew MacDonald and a 4th for TJ Oshie and Jay Bouwmeester?
- SuperSchennBros

If I was Doug Armstrong and you offered that deal, I'd hang up. Read is similar to Oshie. I think a one for one deal is pretty even, all things considered.

But there's no way on Earth that Andrew MacDonald and a 4th rounder are worth Jay Bouwmeester. If you want Bouwmeester, you're doing more than dumping MacDonald and his bad contract off on St Louis.

I was thinking more like Read & Grossmann for Oshie and a 4th rounder.

I would not put Luke Schenn or Del Zotto in the core of players to move forward with at this point in time. But open to that changing. It's a long season when looking at Del Zotto.
- MJL

I think we just need long term options and physicality on the blue line. A lot could change of course.

I think we just need long term options and physicality on the blue line. A lot could change of course.
- SuperSchennBros

What they need is a legitimate top pairing on the defense.

i honestly do not know.

i am having a hard time approximating his value.

its hard to figure out what the blues would need, much less something that either the pens or flyers could realistically give them. if they value him in the same vein that they do tarasenko, then its obviously not worth even bothering. and i have no care in paying a bloated price due to some shootout showdown in sochi.

but, he is one of the few youngish forwards that would potentially be expendable. he is having a down year, so the cost may be realistic. and while he isnt dirt cheap, it isnt an impossible contract to absorb if you are a believer in a rebound in the right scenario. and i believe he still has some term left on his deal. if i am going to give up some assets, its better than dumping it into a pure rental.
- stayinthefnnet

He's more hype than substance, but he's far from a bad player. Not an awful cap hit, signed for a few years, good at the gimmick.

Not willing to pay a premium, but as stated, I feel Read is a fair price for him.

Would you trade B Schenn, Umberger for Nieto and 2 2nds?
- PhillySportsGuy

Hell no.

not poopting on your offer solely because i want the pens to push hard, but i just really dont see why they make that deal.

it seems lateral to me.

the only reason i would really think they would be looking to move oshie is to rid themselves of money for when the time comes to re up guys like tarasenko and schwartz.
- stayinthefnnet

They save a million I believe by trading Oshie for Read straight up. From our standpoint and Read's, it's a matter of a shake up. Plus an upgrade in the shoot out.

Would you trade B Schenn, Umberger for Nieto and 2 2nds?
- PhillySportsGuy

That's tough. The seconds are very appealing, but Nieto is not going to replace Schenn's offense. He's ideally what would be on a line with Read and Couturier or with Bellemare. Fast, pesky and with some skill, but not much of a finisher.

That's tough. The seconds are very appealing, but Nieto is not going to replace Schenn's offense. He's ideally what would be on a line with Read and Couturier or with Bellemare. Fast, pesky and with some skill, but not much of a finisher.
- Jsaquella

I think it's close. Maybe they throw in something else too.

If I was Doug Armstrong and you offered that deal, I'd hang up. Read is similar to Oshie. I think a one for one deal is pretty even, all things considered.

But there's no way on Earth that Andrew MacDonald and a 4th rounder are worth Jay Bouwmeester. If you want Bouwmeester, you're doing more than dumping MacDonald and his bad contract off on St Louis.

I was thinking more like Read & Grossmann for Oshie and a 4th rounder.
- Jsaquella

I couldn't tell you what Bouwmeester looks like in terms of his play but he has as many goals and assists as Luke Schenn this season. Even with MacDonald's struggles, MacDonald has 6 points. I do believe Bouwmeester is still able to be a top pair defenseman when paired with the right player.

I think it's close. Maybe they throw in something else too.
- PhillySportsGuy

If you swapped in Read or one of the defensemen, I'd probably say yes. Not Eagerly on Read, but more likely than with B. Schenn

I couldn't tell you what Bouwmeeter looks like in terms of his play but he has as many goals and assists as Luke Schenn this season. Even with MacDonald's struggles, MacDonald has 6 points. I do believe Bouwmeester still able to be a top pair defenseman when paired with the right player.
- SuperSchennBros

Bouwmeester's been hurt and he'd immediately step in and be the Flyers best defenseman by a very big margin. He's a top pair defenseman with any partner.

Bouwmeester's been hurt and he'd immediately step in and be the Flyers best defenseman by a very big margin. He's a top pair defenseman with any partner.
- Jsaquella

Obviously the Flyers should look to improve anyway they can but I can only speak from how I feel about the Flyers in terms of watching every game this season. I'm not offering a Read for Oshie because Oshie is the sexier name. I've never overly been keen on Oshie but the Flyers need some sort of jump start. A shake up. Something to get them focused again.

Bouwmeester's been hurt and he'd immediately step in and be the Flyers best defenseman by a very big margin. He's a top pair defenseman with any partner.
- Jsaquella

I don't see any reason they'd trade him unless they were overwhelmed with a ridiculous offer

What they need is a legitimate top pairing on the defense.
- MJL

Well, if we'd just kept Morin up with the big club and played him 42 minutes a night...

I don't see any reason they'd trade him unless they were overwhelmed with a ridiculous offer
- PhillySportsGuy

I think Bouwmeester could help the mix of our defense right now. However, he's not meeting the expectations of his deal at the moment either. Bouwmeester has a no trade anyway.

Obviously the Flyers should look to improve anyway they can but I can only speak from how I feel about the Flyers in terms of watching every game this season. I'm not offering a Read for Oshie because Oshie is the sexier name. I've never overly been keen on Oshie but the Flyers need some sort of jump start. A shake up. Something to get them focused again.
- SuperSchennBros

Grossmann for Umberger

I think Bouwmeester could help the mix of our defense right now. However, he's not meeting the expectations of his deal at the moment either. Bouwmeester has a no trade anyway.
- SuperSchennBros

He plays on the top pairing of one of the better teams in hockey. I think it would be a bit soon to give up on a player who has played very well for them since arriving.

Obviously the Flyers should look to improve anyway they can but I can only speak from how I feel about the Flyers in terms of watching every game this season. I'm not offering a Read for Oshie because Oshie is the sexier name. I've never overly been keen on Oshie but the Flyers need some sort of jump start. A shake up. Something to get them focused again.
- SuperSchennBros

I'd do Read for Oshie, because Raffl can slide down and be effective on a line with Couturier and Oshie can play with either Laughton & Simmonds or Giroux and Voracek.

It'd be a deck shuffle, no more or less.

In terms of Bouwmeester, he'd be a massive upgrade on the blueline. I just don;t see anyway the Blues deal him for what amounts to a package of MacDonald & a mid round pick

He plays on the top pairing of one of the better teams in hockey. I think it would be a bit soon to give up on a player who has played very well for them since arriving.
- PhillySportsGuy

I would be lying if I said he I've seen a lot of Bouwmeester this season. I haven't. However, his states would suggest he's playing average at best.

I don't see any reason they'd trade him unless they were overwhelmed with a ridiculous offer
- PhillySportsGuy

Nor do I. No reason to move him. No real cap issues and he's capable of a high level of play. Can play PP, PK, and strong as a ES player. No reason to deal him for less than a great return on St Louis' part

What they need is a legitimate top pairing on the defense.
- MJL

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I'd do Read for Oshie, because Raffl can slide down and be effective on a line with Couturier and Oshie can play with either Laughton & Simmonds or Giroux and Voracek.

It'd be a deck shuffle, no more or less.

In terms of Bouwmeester, he'd be a massive upgrade on the blueline. I just don;t see anyway the Blues deal him for what amounts to a package of MacDonald & a mid round pick
- Jsaquella

Fair point. Although Andrew MacDonald is 28 and Bouwmeester is 31 and MacDonld is the better point producer right now, plus the Blues have two number one defensemen in Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk. Admitting the best point I have.

Fair point. Although Andrew MacDonald is 28 and Bouwmeester is 31 and MacDonld is the better point producer right now, plus the Blues have two number one defensemen. Admitting the best point I have.
- SuperSchennBros

MacDonald has more points right now, but his career high is just a bit over Bouwmeester's career low.

Also, Bouwmeester is a really good, actual top pair defenseman, who has been a very good NHL defenseman for an extended period of time. MacDonald really isn't anywhere near his class as a player. Bouwmeester's been used in a top pair, toguh minutes role his entire career and been solid at it. MacDonald was really exposed as a top pair guy playing top competition, night after night.