I don't see the Blues looking to trade Oshie.
- MJL

did u see the flyers looking to trade bOTH richards and carter?

Just did some back reading and found myself skipping quiet a few pages. Some of you guys just don't know when to quit.

Re: Oshie. Would be a great addition but I don't see a return the Blues would take that wouldn't just end up looking like a lateral move for us in the end.

Just did some back reading and found myself skipping quiet a few pages. Some of you guys just don't know when to quit.

Re: Oshie. Would be a great addition but I don't see a return the Blues would take that wouldn't just end up looking like a lateral move for us in the end.
- hereticpride

rehab buzz

I don't see the Blues looking to trade Oshie.
- MJL

me neither. but its a different name that the same typical that are always rehashed.

so my lust mode is in full gear

I personally feel that a system that keeps a solid gap in all areas, and plays a 5 man game up and down the ice leads to better puck possession, and more offense. Like I said before, you can't be a puck pressure team without support, regardless of what zone of the ice the puck is in. Players are too good.

Yea, Malkin might get some chances goal hanging. Have you ever seen when a team is on the PP, and they try and use a stretch pass, or the goalie tries to outlet the puck way up ice to an open forward with the PKers changing behind the play? What usually happens is the forward that gets the puck is on a lone ranger rush, is outnumbered on the puck, and an easy clear for the defense. I hate that. A controlled breakout with speed and support on a regroup is far more effective.
- MJL

yes. i am a big fan of the controlled breakout. to me, it is a balance between the homerun hit and a more defensive scheme. but even that. like i said, to me its more about how much leeway players are given at their respective positions, and what they are held accountable to do. a defensive team will give their defensemen less leash to wheel and push up ice. similarly, forwards are expected to hang down more and help. maybe we just see different things. but to me, a team like the kings or rangers has their forwards back in the zone with a MUCH greater frequency than say the pens or the flyers. now if youd like to tell me that they are similar systems that merely get lost in execution by players, thats one thing. but the end result results in an entirely different flavor of play to me. and with it, the potential for subdued point totals.

where did that troll go from earlier?... im bored

I'm sure I'm alone on this feeling but I just read Eklund's blog and if what he says in true, Lecavalier might be a healthy scratch for a fifth straight game. If this is the case where we enter another game with the same line up, Berube simply does not have the finger on the pulse of his team. Tuesday night was a bad loss. The way we lost in OT, being out played in large portions of the game. Umberger and Read are two examples of players who should be scratched yesterday. Lecavalier needs to be a lot better but he's not the only problem with this team. In fact, I think the problem is the Coach, especially now.

I'm sure I'm alone on this feeling but I just read Eklund's blog and if what he says in true, Lecavalier might be a healthy scratch for a fifth straight game. If this is the case where we enter another game with the same line up, Berube simply does not have the finger on the pulse of his team. Tuesday night was a bad loss. The way we lost in OT, being out played in large portions of the game. Umberger and Read are two examples of players who should be scratched yesterday. Lecavalier needs to be a lot better but he's not the only problem with this team. In fact, I think the problem is the Coach, especially now.
- SuperSchennBros

can i get an amen

I'm sure I'm alone on this feeling but I just read Eklund's blog and if what he says in true, Lecavalier might be a healthy scratch for a fifth straight game. If this is the case where we enter another game with the same line up, Berube simply does not have the finger on the pulse of his team. Tuesday night was a bad loss. The way we lost in OT, being out played in large portions of the game. Umberger and Read are two examples of players who should be scratched yesterday. Lecavalier needs to be a lot better but he's not the only problem with this team. In fact, I think the problem is the Coach, especially now.
- SuperSchennBros

I would like Vinny to get another shot. Hamburglar should be next to sit but for some reason the coach finds him effective, and that really is a mystery. Read has been just bad IMO. This team has nothing to lose. They can't seem to deal Vinny now so why not give him a chance to put up some numbers and possibly show he can be of value to somebody.

anyone watching this TOR/DET game? pretty entertaining

I'm sure I'm alone on this feeling but I just read Eklund's blog and if what he says in true, Lecavalier might be a healthy scratch for a fifth straight game. If this is the case where we enter another game with the same line up, Berube simply does not have the finger on the pulse of his team. Tuesday night was a bad loss. The way we lost in OT, being out played in large portions of the game. Umberger and Read are two examples of players who should be scratched yesterday. Lecavalier needs to be a lot better but he's not the only problem with this team. In fact, I think the problem is the Coach, especially now.
- SuperSchennBros

i just have a hard time seeing how VLC being out there benefits a team more than read out there.

I would like Vinny to get another shot. Hamburglar should be next to sit but for some reason the coach finds him effective, and that really is a mystery. Read has been just bad IMO. This team has nothing to lose. They can't seem to deal Vinny now so why not give him a chance to put up some numbers and possibly show he can be of value to somebody.
- 3flyerkids

If Lecavalier continues to skate like he's disinterested, he's going to keep sitting.

The trouble is, what he brings to the table does not solve the team's issues. They need a guy that can generate chances and carrying the puck. Lecavalier, at this point of his career, isn't a guy that can do that. He's not a competent two way player and he's basically useless in a non-scoring role. Can't be used on the PK and when he's been with the PP, it's been unable to convert.

I would like Vinny to get another shot. Hamburglar should be next to sit but for some reason the coach finds him effective, and that really is a mystery. Read has been just bad IMO. This team has nothing to lose. They can't seem to deal Vinny now so why not give him a chance to put up some numbers and possibly show he can be of value to somebody.
- 3flyerkids

A lot has been made of Vinny having a bad attitude in Flyersfeed.com but I haven't heard anything that truly makes Vinny look bad, at least not comments wise. The guy isn't going to get better if he isn't getting the minutes to get into a groove or play with other talents. To me, Lecavalier clearly needs to find his game but Berube is the one pissing the contract away. You've gotta give the guy at least a chance to redeem himself. If Vinny truly does dislike his Coach, I really can't blame him.

i just have a hard time seeing how VLC being out there benefits a team more than read out there.
- stayinthefnnet

Berube can replace Lecavalier with Umberger and not miss much.

If Lecavalier continues to skate like he's disinterested, he's going to keep sitting.

The trouble is, what he brings to the table does not solve the team's issues. They need a guy that can generate chances and carrying the puck. Lecavalier, at this point of his career, isn't a guy that can do that. He's not a competent two way player and he's basically useless in a non-scoring role. Can't be used on the PK and when he's been with the PP, it's been unable to convert.
- Jsaquella

I agree that he has looked disinterested but that is why players sit. Put him back in and see what you get. Mr Umberger does deserve to be in press box. This team needs people who can score other than the 4 that have been doing it all. Hamburglar has no offensive skills. Vinny is no stud but at least give him one more chance. He has never been a healthy scratch... Let's see if it can possibly make him work harder. We won't know unless he is given a chance instead of putting that Zombie out every night

Berube can replace Lecavalier with Umberger and not miss much.
- SuperSchennBros

i just mean with read. i know he isnt exactly killing it right now, but the only reason i can see to scratch him is to send a one game message or something if you think his issue is effort or something like that.

but in the name of effectiveness, i just dont see how scratching him benefits the on ice product any way, even considering his downward play right now. its still better than the alternative

If Lecavalier continues to skate like he's disinterested, he's going to keep sitting.

The trouble is, what he brings to the table does not solve the team's issues. They need a guy that can generate chances and carrying the puck. Lecavalier, at this point of his career, isn't a guy that can do that. He's not a competent two way player and he's basically useless in a non-scoring role. Can't be used on the PK and when he's been with the PP, it's been unable to convert.
- Jsaquella

It honestly wouldn't shock me in the least if Lecavalier was moved to a team with a real coach, put the guy in a position to succeed and he began to play well.

Raffl-Lecavalier-Umberger

Schenn-Lecavalier-Simmonds (prior to his injury and where he played his best)

Umberger-Laughton-Lecavalier

Rinaldo-Bellemare-Lecavalier

How is the guy suppose to contribute? He's useless when he isn't.

I agree that he has looked disinterested but that is why players sit. Put him back in and see what you get. Mr Umberger does deserve to be in press box. This team needs people who can score other than the 4 that have been doing it all. Hamburglar has no offensive skills. Vinny is no stud but at least give him one more chance. He has never been a healthy scratch... Let's see if it can possibly make him work harder. We won't know unless he is given a chance instead of putting that Zombie out every night
- 3flyerkids

Umberger has actually played better of late, and fills a different role than Lecavalier. Who do you move from the top six to fit in Lecavalier?

Split Giroux & Voracek? Drop Laughton to the 4th line? Sorry, Vinny doesn't fit. There's not much else to see. He doesn't fit with what they have and playing him isn't likely to increase his trade value.

I agree that he has looked disinterested but that is why players sit. Put him back in and see what you get. Mr Umberger does deserve to be in press box. This team needs people who can score other than the 4 that have been doing it all. Hamburglar has no offensive skills. Vinny is no stud but at least give him one more chance. He has never been a healthy scratch... Let's see if it can possibly make him work harder. We won't know unless he is given a chance instead of putting that Zombie out every night
- 3flyerkids

Isn't the point to scratching a player is to see how they respond? How can he responded he doesn't play?

It honestly wouldn't shock me in the least if Lecavalier was moved to a team with a real coach, put the guy in a position to succeed and he began to play well.

Raffl-Lecavalier-Umberger

Schenn-Lecavalier-Simmonds (prior to his injury and where he played his best)

Umberger-Laughton-Lecavalier

Rinaldo-Bellemare-Lecavalier

How is the guy suppose to contribute? He's useless when he isn't.
- SuperSchennBros

it wouldnt shock me either, provided he was placed in the exact situations he needs to succeed.

he isnt expected to play much defense. he is given considerable offensive zone time, heavy PP usage, and plays with two players who are able to drive possession and puck retrieval. oh, and one of those players should be pretty damn good at setting him up.

you give him that, and yes, i wouldnt be surprised if he could hit 20 or so goals over the course of a full season. but damn, is that a long laundry list of things he needs in order to see some return on him. at what point does the juice no longer worth the squeeze?

Umberger has actually played better of late, and fills a different role than Lecavalier. Who do you move from the top six to fit in Lecavalier?

Split Giroux & Voracek? Drop Laughton to the 4th line? Sorry, Vinny doesn't fit. There's not much else to see. He doesn't fit with what they have and playing him isn't likely to increase his trade value.
- Jsaquella

I would scratch Umberger and replace him with Lecavalier at even strength. Umberger was OK in California. He was bad against the Jackets.

It honestly wouldn't shock me in the least if Lecavalier was moved to a team with a real coach, put the guy in a position to succeed and he began to play well.

Raffl-Lecavalier-Umberger

Schenn-Lecavalier-Simmonds (prior to his injury and where he played his best)

Umberger-Laughton-Lecavalier

Rinaldo-Bellemare-Lecavalier

How is the guy suppose to contribute? He's useless when he isn't.
- SuperSchennBros

He didn't play well with Schenn & Simmonds, though. That line did manage to produce some offense, but it often got buried in it's own end.

So you want to split Laughton and Simmonds to give Vinny a chance? I don't. If they had a playmaker, maybe. But the only real option would be splitting Giroux and Voracek and either playing Vinny on Giroux's RW or using Vinny as Voracek's center.

Neither appeals to me, in the least. I wouldn't care if Vinny sat in the press box until his deal expires

it wouldnt shock me either, provided he was placed in the exact situations he needs to succeed.

he isnt expected to play much defense. he is given considerable offensive zone time, heavy PP usage, and plays with two players who are able to drive possession and puck retrieval. oh, and one of those players should be pretty damn good at setting him up.

you give him that, and yes, i wouldnt be surprised if he could hit 20 or so goals over the course of a full season. but damn, is that a long laundry list of things he needs in order to see some return on him. at what point does the juice no longer worth the squeeze?
- stayinthefnnet

He just needs to play with talent. He saw most of his time with Wayne Simmonds and Brayden Schenn last season.

Umberger has actually played better of late, and fills a different role than Lecavalier. Who do you move from the top six to fit in Lecavalier?

Split Giroux & Voracek? Drop Laughton to the 4th line? Sorry, Vinny doesn't fit. There's not much else to see. He doesn't fit with what they have and playing him isn't likely to increase his trade value.
- Jsaquella

I play him over Umberger. Just give him " one more" chance. Umberger has not done anything IMO. I know Vinny won't solve problems. All I am saying is just give him a chance. He has " severed his press box time". Umberger is one player who also deserves to sit without question.

I would scratch Umberger and replace him with Lecavalier at even strength. Umberger was OK in California. He was bad against the Jackets.
- SuperSchennBros

So who are Vinny's line mates? Do you play him with Couturier & Read in a defensive role? Because he'd be dreadful in that spot. Do you slide him onto the Simmonds line? Do you bump Brayden Schenn or Scott Laughton? No thanks.

As bad as Umberger was, he's more effective in a defensive role than Lecavalier